Official Wii U Discussion Thread

TAG said:
The thing that scares me the most about the WiiU is that it'll underpowered for the next generation, perhaps even moreso than the Wii was for this gen.

That is something that scares me as well, especially after reading impressions from people that have played ZombiU on the show floor. They said that while the game plays well overall, graphically the game looks about like a polished or good looking Wii game.

Hopefully it is just a case of early code.

That won't happen, the Wii U uses graphical architecture far more modem than the 360/PS3. The reason the Wii didn't get many Cross platform games wasn't really to do with power, it was to do with it's ancient architecture. It used fixed pixel pipelines and TEV stuff instead of Shaders, which even the original Xbox had, hence why a lot of games on the Wii U look worse than some Xbox games besides it technically having more horsepower.

Technically the PS4/Xbox3 won't be that far ahead, no matter how much more horsepower they have.

So far the roundtable has said nothing. Sigh...Hopefully they pull a last second Skyward Sword type reveal.

Virtual Console Transferable

"In an interview with ABC News, Scott Moffitt, Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing at Nintendo, said that in addition to Wii discs being backwards-compatible on the new Wii U, digital game collections purchased over the Wii Virtual Console will also be transferable over to the Wii U, likely remaining at standard definition.

WiiU exact specs rumoured:

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-premiere-wii-u-specs/




( Edited 06.06.2012 07:05 by Linkyshinks )

SirLink said:
Anyone know whatever happened to this? Maybe I'm just tired, but I can't think of any that fit here.

Very interesting, so there is more to show? I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up more on the internet.

That survival concept of ZombiU has me interested now . True, the graphics are probably not the best out there, but as long as it's fun to play and it's completely original... I'm all for it .

@Strat:
I'll say once and I'll say again that unless the power of the system really bugs you, the Wii has a great lineup of both first and third party games, definitely enough to keep 'core' or whatever gamers happy.
The Wii is my console of choice for this generation, maybe I'm not a big fan of most FPS-genre games and I definitely do have a little bias, but to me it seems like 360 hasn't had much in the way of exclusives for bloody ages whereas the Wii's had amazing stuff like Xenoblade, The Last Story, Kirby's Return to Dream Land, etc.

And you know, we always get Zelda/Mario, Metroid I kinda miss but you know what I missed even more? Pikmin. I'm pretty darn confident we'll get more reveals closer to launch but I kinda doubt it's Zelda or Mario because we got 2 Zelda games last year one of which was amazing and had been in development for like 5 years.

So hold yer horses it's not good for Nintendo to constantly churn out the same franchises, Zelda and Mario are so popular/mainstay that of course we'll get 3D ones before long whether remakes or not, but.
A lot of people would see Pikmin in the way you see Metroid.

Also I wanna reiterate that launches are generally pretty crap anyway; and that a large chunk of the audience already are pretty captivated by it (trending on Twitter tons of attention on other sites etc)
Nintendo showcased their controller a lot better than Microsoft did (still could have done better) but Microsoft's was.. really dull and made fascinating features look boring because of how they were presented.

I will agree however that the controller seems too confusing for a lot of people, a lot of my friends have told me it looks much too confusing so my hope is that Nintendo either show its simplicity or put a bit more focus on the traditional controller for those who don't get it all.

Marzy said:

SirLink said:
Anyone know whatever happened to this? Maybe I'm just tired, but I can't think of any that fit here.

Very interesting, so there is more to show? I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up more on the internet.

Everyone saw Trine 2, as well, right?

It looks absolutely amazing. I had no idea, but I actually have the first one on Steam (must have come with a Humble Bundle). I'll play through that one on my laptop and buy the sequel on Wii U.

I'm very excited about it.

The music sounds great too.

( Edited 06.06.2012 13:52 by Marzy )

I hope it sells well.

Sony: http://mynintendonews.com/2012/06/06/sony-on-ps4-never-been-first-weve-never-been-cheapest-its-about-being-the-best/

"Sony Computer Entertainment US boss Jack Tretton has confirmed to GameTrailers that they’re not looking to rush the PlayStation 4 to market to battle Wii U and the next Xbox console from Microsoft. Tretton claims that the company would rather “build a better” and more expensive console and launch it after its rivals, than rushing it out. Good idea?"

“We’ve never been first. We’ve never been cheapest. It’s about being the best,” he said. “If you can build a better machine and it’s going to come out a little bit later, that’s better than rushing something to market that’s going to run out of gas for the long term.

“Ideally, in a perfect world, you want the best machine that ships first that’s cheapest. But the number one goal is to be the best machine and that’s what we’re always focused on.” - JT

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Balloon Kid, Pikmin, Metroid, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario Bros 2 (Birdo?), seem like they're on the way to NintendoLand. F-Zero was confirmed last night.

AC Sweet Day Music

( Edited 06.06.2012 20:14 by Linkyshinks )

Wii GamePad Dock

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/the-wii-us-gamepad-dock-a-closer-look

You heard it here first:

"In the late ’90s and early 2000s, Nintendo (NTDOY) attempted to run its console business into the ground by releasing a lackluster follow-up, GameCube, to a lackluster system, Nintendo 64."
and

"By releasing the Nintendo 3DS without any good games, and by charging a price ($249.99) far beyond the system’s worth, Nintendo was forced to cut the price several months (years!?) ahead of schedule."
and

"But in an effort to stretch the profitability of PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, their respective makers have decided to wait to release their next consoles. In essence, this made Nintendo our only hope."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsights/2012/06/06/nintendos-disappointing-wii-u-showing-will-lead-to-the-demise-of-console-gaming/

A more rational take from another. I share some of his concerns, the two controller thing pisses me off big time, as does the battery power even with a charge cradle.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/06/06/what-nintendo-didnt-tell-you-about-the-wiiu/



( Edited 06.06.2012 20:54 by Linkyshinks )

Nintendo Shares Plummet After E3

http://www.benzinga.com/news/12/06/2647265/nintendo-shares-plummet-after-wii-u-showing

So they didn't please gamers or investors, then.

The Strat Man said:
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Balloon Kid, Pikmin, Metroid, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario Bros 2 (Birdo?), seem like they're on the way to NintendoLand. F-Zero was confirmed last night.

I think the black isn't Birdo, but the Octopus from one of the Mr. Game & Watch games.

( Edited 06.06.2012 20:47 by TAG )

Jacob4000 said:
Nintendo Shares Plummet After E3

http://www.benzinga.com/news/12/06/2647265/nintendo-shares-plummet-after-wii-u-showing

So they didn't please gamers or investors, then.

That is no surprise. Invisible Walls over at GT.com were pretty damning of the Nintendo too. Apparently CNN news reported the tablet as a new controller for the original Wii - that is how poor/misinformed/confusing Nintendo were.

And not that I'd ever wish death upon a company as beloved as Nintendo, but at this point - I like the idea of Nintendo abandoning the home console market and putting their software on Sony and Microsoft consoles. Maybe then they could go back to making quality games. And I wouldn't have to entertain the idea of a secondary console, for what seems like the odd gem. It happened this cycle (Galaxy 1/2, Skyward Sword - these are the only games I really enjoyed on Wii), feels like it'll happen again.

The more I think about it, the more I like that idea [Nintendo franchises going third-party]. If a new Zelda, a proper Mario, a Metroid, Star Fox or whatever is in the works for Wii U - why the hell wouldn't you show it? As I said before, this show was also about signalling intent. Six months. I'm sure the next generation will bring a renaissance to gaming as recently it has become very diluted/cynical - but all Nintendo seemed to have proven to me is that the Wii U is not in that bracket of 'next generation.' We know there'll be AAA games eventually, but I don't understand their plan at all. Are they reserving them so they can be unleashed when MS and Sony release new consoles? Surely the they need to build a base in the year or so that they have. The price-point is clearly going to suck too. When the new consoles from competitors come out I don't see any sane individual opting for the under-powered console if they're just buying one of the three. When it was the Wii, I'm willing to bet most of us would have gone with Nintendo anyway because of the first-party games: but I wonder how many people have lost patience with them now.

I don't understand why Nintendo think they can simply return to that casual/family-type market. Uncle Phil already has a Wii, and he's not bothered about Wii U. Meanwhile several generations who grew up on NES/SNES/64 rip their hair out in frustration.

Definitely the saddest E3 in living memory. And the biggest rant I've had in a long time. It was fun.



( Edited 06.06.2012 23:52 by The Strat Man )

The main thing I keep seeing about the Wii U are comments and stories like "Will this game be on par on the Wii U compared to 360/PS" and in the same process "what's different?"

This is stuff Nintendo needed to separate out. You would of expected them to showcase the power of the machine as well, that would have left no doubts in its future capabilities. The fact that they keep skirting around the issue leaves me concerned.

I don't really understand what people want?

I mean there's the third party support now for these so-called "hardcore" gamers and then Nintendo also has Pikmin 3 as a big launch title. On top of that, you have Trine 2, Scribblenauts, Rayman Legends and even that LEGO game looked quite good. There's also more casual experiences, for people who aren't into those tougher games. So overall, a diverse range of games and lots for just the launch window. Of course, Nintendo will add to their library of games later with the big names. Animal Crossing has pretty much been confirmed, as well.

The launch window is one of the best ever, in my opinion.

( Edited 07.06.2012 00:56 by Marzy )

Marzy:I don't really understand what people want?

I'm kind of bemused that people don't understand the disappointment. We wanted a showing of exclusive IPs that proved Nintendo was going after their core audience. Hard and fast. Didn't we all want that?

It's great that the system is getting 3rd party ports. But that's not going to make me buy the thing. I already have a 360. This conference was supposed to make me want a Wii U now. Pikmin 3 looks ace, the Lego game looks fun. I'm not going to buy a Wii U at launch for those two games.

You say they have "Diverse game selection". "Diverse game selection" as Nintendo sees it means they're wasting the valuable time of their studios on games I don't care about.

Looking again at those 3rd party titles, if there's a gamer out there who doesn't already have a PC, a 360, or a PS3, then those ports are enticing. But for the majority of "core gamers" who already have another system, the only thing Nintendo showed that looks truly great is Pikmin 3.

I understand if Pikmin and maybe a couple others like Rayman and Lego are good enough for you. You loved the Wii this generation so your tastes are different than mine anyway. That's perfectly fine. But for myself, and judging by the reaction of a lot of the "gaming world", Pikmin 3 isn't enough to make us invest at launch.

Of course, Nintendo will add to their library of games later with the big names.

Yes, we all know the games will get there eventually. Heck, even the Vita will get games eventually. But until Nintendo shows them to me, and until Nintendo tells me when they're actually coming out, I'm not opening my wallet. The fact that they didn't even talk about what they're working on makes me worry they're a long, long way off. If none of that stuff starts landing until 2014, why should I buy one at launch?

I know a lot of this is just rehashing what's already been said, but you asked what people wanted. That's what we want. At least what I want, anyhow.

( Edited 07.06.2012 01:33 by Jacob4000 )

Nintendo took a step back with software this e3. I think it was to allow third parties to shine and they never bar ubisoft. Third parties have complained in the past that their titles never really seLl similar numbers to nintendo' software but its no surprise when the software they bring to nintendos home consoles are drivel. I believe nintendo went easy on the software to encourage third parties and nintendo land is testimony to this.
I think the only thing that was missing was a 2013 show reel both first and third party. Also its about time nintendo start using ms and Sony tactics and paying for exclusives... Batman!? Mass effect 3!? Not good enough. Where's gta5 blops, mgs we know their coming but why not to wiiu? What's the excuse this time. Those are "hardcore" staples in todays day and age

You guys need to give Nintendo some time, you all are expecting way too much. you guys know Nintendo will open the gates. Just be patient. Yeah, who cares if the power is only current gen tech, right now current gen tech is standard and it's still good. Nintendo is apparently listening or we wouldn't have individual Gamer accounts, HD graphics, control sticks (that clicks), or even the Wii U pro controller.

Think about it, it's like they go around all major game news sites and read feed back, they are listening, but a human can only move so much in a small amount of time.

Watch the presentation and you'll see what I am saying, the e3 seems rushed, they are still probably working on the Wii U. I'm talking about personal experience at work, when someone is doing so much at once they do seem to be tripping over their shoes, just give it some time.

( Edited 07.06.2012 06:37 by wolfy )

wolfy said:
Yeah, who cares if the power is only current gen tech, right now current gen tech is standard and it's still good. Nintendo is apparently listening or we wouldn't have individual Gamer accounts, HD graphics, control sticks (that clicks), or even the Wii U pro controller.

I care. It's current gen now. When it releases in six months, it'll still be current gen. In a year, it'll be retro. I don't want to spend a lot of money on a console just so it'll become retro in six months. If Microsoft or Sony were to shamelessy copy Nintendo's controller design, there'd be no reason, besides Nintendo games, to buy a WiiU. Sony and Microsoft wouldn't even need to create new consoles! That's kind of scary.

Of course, I'm just speculating about the power in the WiiU, but it seems more and more like it basically has the power of an Xbox 360 or PS3.

The world is economically in a rough spot and we want to save to money. However, I think it's risky for Nintendo to be cutting costs for a new console. Someone watching their budget would rather just hang on to the consoles they already have. That's what I'll be doing for a while. I'd rather Nintendo just hold back on the WiiU for year or so, improving the power and solving the two gamepad problems and whatever else while the technology gets cheaper. I think it'd be better for everyone if they didn't release it until Sony and Microsoft release their new consoles.

You hear me Nintendo? Don't release the WiiU yet! Let the tech get cheaper and make the WiiU compete with Sony's and Microsoft's new consoles!

Edit:
I want to end this post more positively, because I don't hate the WiiU. The online system, the "Miiverse" does look pretty cool. Bonus points if they'll be offering online capabilities for free while Microsoft (and maybe Sony?) charge for online features. Xbox Live is too expensive for me, and I hate that they try to sucker you into it buying it by doing things like requiring you to buy a Live subscription for Netflix and Hulu Plus and other things to work (even though you're already paying for them separately). Xbox Live just reeks of greed now. I doubt I'd use it even if I could afford it simply out of principle.

( Edited 07.06.2012 07:00 by TAG )

Marzy said:
I don't really understand what people want?

I mean there's the third party support now for these so-called "hardcore" gamers and then Nintendo also has Pikmin 3 as a big launch title. On top of that, you have Trine 2, Scribblenauts, Rayman Legends and even that LEGO game looked quite good. There's also more casual experiences, for people who aren't into those tougher games. So overall, a diverse range of games and lots for just the launch window. Of course, Nintendo will add to their library of games later with the big names. Animal Crossing has pretty much been confirmed, as well.

The launch window is one of the best ever, in my opinion.

I'm with you on this one Marzy. No matter what Nintendo do, they always have to piss off a certain group of people. I think the launch window has quite a strong line-up, with an equal amount of casual and core games.

As I have owned and enjoyed quite a few casual Nintendo titles myself (namely Wii Fit/Wii Fit Plus) I'm pretty much being spoilt with the lineup we're getting. The more I see of Nintendo Land, the more it makes me think "Wow, this actually looks pretty damn good."

Not to mention that, although the Wii U is getting "ports", they aren't just ports because they're adding unique content exclusively for the Wii U. Sure, unique content isn't enough to make a fan of that game buy a new system to experience said unique content. It IS however a bonus for people that never owned a console that game was originally on, someone who wants a fresh new experience.

Out of the launch window games there are about 6 games that really have me interested. To me, that's pretty good. There are a few others that I am slightly interested in, but hey, I don't have that much money.

you all are expecting way too much

Nintendo took a step back with software this e3. I think it was to allow third parties to shine and they never bar ubisoft. Third parties have complained in the past that their titles never really seLl similar numbers to nintendo' software but its no surprise when the software they bring to nintendos home consoles are drivel