PS3/Vita General Topic

It works better with 3G but it should work fine with Wifi only.

I've still had no luck with it, but I think it's just because I live in a tiny village though. I doubt anyone has a PS Vita.

( Edited 27.02.2012 15:56 by Marzy )

Psp games are the same price listed on psn no matter what system you're using...the only downside with Vita is that it's not displaying the deals or sales option, which means that if anything IS currently on sale you'd only be able to access the value price via a psp or ps3.

That being said I'm waiting for a 2 for 1 pack with Dissidia, sony's done this before & if Square is willing I could see a combo pack on sale for around $18 or so. Still all you really need is Dissidia 2 since all it is is an expanded version of the first one. You beat the new stuff THEN simply play through the original Dissidia with different boards since they're using the format in Duodecium.

If you ask me the first Dissidia is better gameplaywise, but as I said, if you're tight on cash all you really need is Duodecium.

The total vita sales were reported at 1.2 million. A couple of weeks ago, Japanese sales were at roughly 578,000, so there have been roughly 600,000 sales from Europe, America, Australia and the rest of Asia (along with wherever else it released. The 3DS beat 700,000 from Europe and North America in its first weekend. Not as bad as some would expect, but it remains to be seen if the sales continue at this base, or quickly drop down.

Well as I've said earlier sony made a mistake alienating their previous fanbase when they didn't support umds, psp mem sticks or even bring over reduced prices on digital copies of umds they already owned...they're shooting themselves in the foot just like they sid with the ps3.

Reviews for Journey have started coming in and it's already getting plenty of 10's and high praise. I can't wait till the 14th March.

Vorash Kadan said:
Well as I've said earlier sony made a mistake alienating their previous fanbase when they didn't support umds, psp mem sticks or even bring over reduced prices on digital copies of umds they already owned...they're shooting themselves in the foot just like they sid with the ps3.

I don't understand how they shot themselves in the foot with the PS3. There was a PS2 version available at launch, it supported blurays and there where a few decent games around. Might I remind you that it was cheaper than a bluray player at the time and gained momentum from the fact. Sure the price point was high, but if you were a media jockey it was perfect.

I don't see how they have killed themselves with the Vita either. UMD didn't make it as a media format with DVD's etc, if your games where tied to your PSN (For the GO at least) you can re-download the games. Not having a UMD drive saves a lot of battery, UMD's couldn't store that much data in the first place. They where slow loading. And lets be honest, they are completely out dated tech. Do you really want to be lugging about several UMD's on you rather than small chips that can fit in your wallet? Didn't think so. It's designed to be a portable and it does it beautifully.

The PSVita's price point is actually ten bucks/pounds lower than the original PSP when it launched. If you work inflation into that, the price difference becomes a lot wider meaning that its cheaper than the original was at launch. Sure the memory card system isn't ideal, but there will be bundles soon enough with cards and specific games. Most store pretty much gave away a free game with the system anyway, so the price of an 8GB card was nullified. I can't see why you would need more than an 8GB card for now, the cards will drop in price soon enough and we will see 32 GB and up cards appear - Especially if Sony is trying to push digital downloads to maximise their profit output, the smartest choice would be to make the cards similar in price to SD cards.

You also forget that every product has a lifecycle. Everything is always expensive at the start for the early adopters that like to have new and shiney things. There will always be issues but we take that on board before the purchase. Nobody asked you to buy the product in the first place, and if you knew all these issues and still aren't happy about it, why did you buy it?

It's all relative. I for one am completely happy with my purchase, I can see myself using it for years to come. I don't even feel like the system needs to be re-deigned like the 3DS does and that's a good start.

( Edited 02.03.2012 01:14 by Echoes221 )

I'm pretty sure Vorash just has a bee in his bonnet. Ignore him.

Echoes, Martin...you two are kidding right? Oh MAN if you can't see the failure sony had with the launch & over all performence of the ps3 then you're even bigger sony fanboys than I thought...but I'll gladly list the short commings for you.

1: The Infamous E3 session announcing the ps3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

(please ignore the editing this guy did, I don't think THAT part is very professional but I agree whole heartedly with EVERYTHING else)

Here's another for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24

2: The Price point, I don't care how powerful a system is. If it's beyond the average person's bi-weekly paycheck it's too much. I'd LOVE to get a Lamborghini Diablo...but no matter how much I want one I'll never be able to afford one. Also the ps3 (much like the Lamborghini) is a TOY, you can't eat a ps3, it can't shelter you, you can't use it to go places...it's not a nessecity.

3: Poor launch line up, sure you could say the same thing about the 3DS...except that it's fully backwards compatible so you've got games you haven't finished yet to keep you busy & Nintendo was smart enough to drop the price, argument solved. Yes early ps3's played ps1 & 2 titles; mine included...but it didn't cost me $600.

4: Cell Prossesing was a mistake...otherwise the ps4 wouldn't be talked about not having a similar system built in.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/sony-ps4-to-come-without-cell-processor--1067961 Check the Kotaku link as well if you want.

It doesn't matter how strong the system was, ANYONE with common sence & an eye on the media knows that SOny (they deserve that casing this time) lost MAJOR third party support & will most likely never regain ths status they had with the ps2.

I'd also comment on how even though they bashed Nintendo for their motion gameplay aspect...they ended up copying them shamlessly anyways...but I won't....whoops. :/

Price- yes it was expensive, but it did not make sense for them to lower it considering the losses they were making on it.

They did lower the price eventually, but to cut their losses they removed some of the features. A couple of years down the line, costs were lowered and tech further refined so they were able to redesign and lower the price further

It's more than a toy as well, it's an entertainment system and at launch was majorly agreed it was one of the best Blu-ray players commercially available

And I dont see why they deserve random capitalisation of tge second letter of their name, or what it's even supposed to reflect

Except considering the 12-15 month gap between the 360 and PS3, they're in a strong position sales wise on the PS3. I don't really see a loss of third party support either - if you're talking about games going multiplatform, it's happened the other way as well, and makes sense as devs can get more potential income

you're even bigger sony fanboys than I thought

Yes, they made mistakes with the price point intially. Yes, the hardware was difficult to develop for - but look how it paid off (Heavy Rain/Naughty Dog). No, it is not a toy, it is a diverse media platform that was well ahead of its curve ~ If the PS3 didn't launch then we would never of had bluray's as the prevalent and growing disk medium (which has made them a tonne of money I might add). No, Sony didn't really loose any third party support, the only downfall was that games where ported from the xbox across due to development ease.

But my point still remains, if you knew of all these issues with the PS3 and the certain issues surrounding the Vita. Why did you go ahead and buy a Vita knowing that you would find fault at every turn?

( Edited 03.03.2012 12:50 by Echoes221 )

Vorash Kadan said:
Echoes, Martin...you two are kidding right? Oh MAN if you can't see the failure sony had with the launch & over all performence of the ps3 then you're even bigger sony fanboys than I thought...but I'll gladly list the short commings for you.

With talk like this, you will soon find yourself unwelcome at C3. You are warned. That you 'gladly' list things is quite funny because you're not 100% correct on any of the things you list, either.

Vorash Kadan said:
1: The Infamous E3 session announcing the ps3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

(please ignore the editing this guy did, I don't think THAT part is very professional but I agree whole heartedly with EVERYTHING else)

Here's another for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24

Yep, Sony had embarrassingly-bad E3s on those occasions. It's happened to everyone else at one point or another.

Vorash Kadan said:
2: The Price point, I don't care how powerful a system is. If it's beyond the average person's bi-weekly paycheck it's too much. I'd LOVE to get a Lamborghini Diablo...but no matter how much I want one I'll never be able to afford one. Also the ps3 (much like the Lamborghini) is a TOY, you can't eat a ps3, it can't shelter you, you can't use it to go places...it's not a nessecity.

Most things in life aren't necessities. The PS3 launched in my country for £425. The 360 was £280, and the Wii was £180. All three have some kind of backwards compatibility. In fact, the launch PS3 model had better BC than either of the others. You could only play GC games on the Wii, some Xbox 1 games on 360, whilst the launch PS3 gave you access to all PSone and PS2 games, as well as it's (then) extremely impressive multimedia capabilities.

Of course, the PS2 hardware compatibility was axed in order to help bring that high price point down. You're right that the PS3 had a real rocky start, primarily due to the price. But what you don't mention is that the price came down pretty quickly. In fact, for the past two and a half years, the PS3's price point has been within spitting distance of the Wii's, and the Wii is pretty much just an overclocked GameCube with new controllers.

You don't see me moaning that the PS3 launched for a huge price. All one has to do is use one's braincells. Thus, I waited until I could afford it. I paid £250 for my PS3 slim when the slim ones launched (September 2nd 2009, if I recall). Your diatribe about necessities is pretty ridiculous. How many things do you own that you don't need?

Clue: If you can't eat or drink it and be nourished by it - you don't need it. So I would say 99.99999% (recurring) of the things you own Vorash, you don't "need".

Vorash Kadan said:
3: Poor launch line up, sure you could say the same thing about the 3DS...except that it's fully backwards compatible so you've got games you haven't finished yet to keep you busy & Nintendo was smart enough to drop the price, argument solved. Yes early ps3's played ps1 & 2 titles; mine included...but it didn't cost me $600.

You're not making sense. It's as if you're scrabbling to invent points you can use? All consoles have poor launch lineups (which is the primary reason one should never really buy a brand new console). As for backwards compatibility - your argument is all over the place. 3DS does not include "full backwards compatibility". It's only compatible with DS series software. What about GBA, GBC, and GB? Nintendo sells that stuff now for silly prices on the VC. I can play my Street Fighter Alpha 3 GBA cart on my DSi, you can't play it on your 3DS. The last Nintendo handheld which had "full backwards compatibility" was the original fat DS.

Nintendo and Sony both sell old stuff on their digital platforms. With the VC though, you often pay more for less.

Vorash Kadan said:
4: Cell Prossesing was a mistake...otherwise the ps4 wouldn't be talked about not having a similar system built in.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/sony-ps4-to-come-without-cell-processor--1067961 Check the Kotaku link as well if you want.

Yup, developers hated it, and the console's physical hardware makeup is the reason why most multiplatform games looked significantly worse on PS3 than 360. That's changed in the past few years. There's nothing on 360 that looks as good as the last two Uncharted games, Killzone 3, etc. Sometimes PS3 even gets superior multiplatform games. L.A. Noire is best on PS3, for example. Not because of disc swapping. The graphics are actually better. Portal 2 looks better on PS3. I'm not going to go through all the examples.

As for the articles you link to, they don't really mean much. There's been a million articles in the past that allege various things that never come to pass. A rumour is called a rumour for a reason. Additionally, there have been other articles which claim Sony will be moving on with the Cell architecture, and backing it up with a stronger main CPU, and a better GPU.

There was one I read on Arstechnica a while back which spoke of the latest nVidia GPU, a three core CPU with 32 SPUs in array. But, being as you are, you don't want to know about that. You only want to point out the articles which support your point. C3 isn't that dumb, I'm afraid. Furthermore, let's say we all agree that the Cell was a mistake, it has turned into a strength. Now that many developers have gotten to grips with it and gotten some really impressive things out of the tech, it'd make sense to continue with it.

Nobody really knows, time will tell.

Vorash Kadan said:
It doesn't matter how strong the system was, ANYONE with common sence & an eye on the media knows that SOny (they deserve that casing this time) lost MAJOR third party support & will most likely never regain ths status they had with the ps2.

Nope, Sony never deserve the handle of "SOny", because it doesn't mean anything. At least "M$" makes some kind of sense. Saying "SOny" makes no sense. It's not even an insult. It's just stupid. You make yourself look like an idiot every time you say it.

Ultimately, you can call us fanboys, but it's you that's engaging in fanboyish behaviour. I imagine the feedback system will prove this, as you receive no stars and -1s to your posts. Have a good Saturday! Sorry.. SAturday

Who cares how crap the PS3 launch was? The system is doing fine now and has a nice library of games. It's completely irrelevant and pointless to talk about something that happened 5/6 years ago.

"Stop living in the past, Peter!"

Paulie: "You're livin' backwards, Rock-o! Change the channel from yesterday!"

Martin_ said:
Behemoth of a post

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA!!!

( Edited 04.03.2012 01:10 by Echoes221 )

Resident Evil 2 and 3 are now available on the EU PSN store in the Imports section of the PSone Classics. They have both been released as US Imports. It probably came down to licensing issues of releasing the PAL versions. Whatever. Means we get our RE2 and 3 in 60Hz!

Martin, learn to summarise because I am NOT reading the Great Wall of Text you just posted. Devs have lost faith in sony, this is a fact. Going mutliplat yes I was talking about that, but these were supposedly top brass third party games that were SUPPOSED to be sony exclusive; which entails that devs didn't think they'd make enough money releasing it on the ps3 only...which means devs LOST FAITH with sony to an extent.

The 360 has more constant exlusives than the ps3 does if you compair them, mostly because the ps3 is harder to work with than the 360 (again the possible reason why sony is ditching Cell in ps4) & the 360 has a much larger install base than the ps3 even before sony's little information breach fiasco. You can warn me all you want Martin, but I never back down from the trueth, you are the one who needs to stop being so biased & blind friend. Sorry if I sound gruff, I'm usually quite friendly but I value the trueth more than I do lieing to make someone else happy.

Again I appologise if the first vid I posted seemed biased, but I felt that one showed the best example of where sony flopped & where third party devs saw examples of weakness. I'm just a blunt kind of person. :/

Well, your "facts" are actually just opinion. Your behaviour is fanboyish, whether you like it or not. Most are in agreement with me.

Vorash Kadan said:
Martin, learn to summarise because I am NOT reading the Great Wall of Text you just posted.

Then how are we to have any kind of discussion? I'm well-versed in the art of summary, and employed it in the post in question. It could have easily been three times as long.

Just know that the post you didn't have the attention-span to read won me the vast majority of my stars this week, and thus won me my Member of The Week award. Star comments were mostly along the line of "You destroyed Vorash" etc. You didn't read it, but everyone else did and decided that I was right.

For someone who's so right and has all the facts, nobody seems to agree with you. I now feel that on the subject of Sony or any of their products, you can't have an unbiased or in any way meaningful discussion. Because of that, I will no longer reply to you in this thread. I suggest others do the same.

You do realise that when someone resorts to using the word "Opinion" it; more often than not, means the poster is running out of steam/ways to defend his side of things. There are some things in this world that ARE indeed black & white, what I posted earlier is proven FACT. Sony has lost the kind of third party faith they had with the ps2, the high price point & lack of desired games early on INDEED was the down fall of the ps3 AND psp, sony made a HUGE mistake by not allowing use of psp memory cards, not lowering pricing on DL psp games for people who own the UMDs & making another atempt at challanging Nintendo in the handheld market with Vita...not fanboy opinion it's FACT given the evidence shown with lower vita sales than 3ds compaired at their starts & the FACT that Nintendo has dominated the handheld market for 20 years successfully beating out all competition.

I want you to understand one very important thing about me Martin (you too echoes though you seem a bit more aware than Martin) I am not just some blind Nintendo fanatic, true I prefer them over any other company; but I am still open minded towards other companies as proven with me owning a ps3, psp & vita though I am not blind towards ANY one group.

I dissagree with alot of things Iwata has done with Nintendo & think he's done more harm than good & Nintendo's got a LOOOOOOOOONG HARD ROAD ahead of them if they ever hope to regain the status they once held with the NES & SNES.

I'm NOT trying to piss anyone off, but if you actually did your homework Martin you'd see that everything I've said is unbiased observation & not fanboy "opinion" nor rant. Have you even looked into my psn tag since you think I'm lieing about owning one?

( Edited 05.03.2012 17:55 by Vorash Kadan )

You've both laid your cards on the table of this matter. I feel this should go no further on this topic or turn into name calling and/or slating or worse. You are both entitled to your opinions and are therefore allowed to speak your mind. For the time being I think we should leave this thought trail alone for the time being.

Apparently there is meant to be an announcement next week on upcoming Vita games. MGS5 has been rumoured. What other titles do you think will come up?

Echoes221 said:
You've both laid your cards on the table of this matter. I feel this should go no further on this topic or turn into name calling and/or slating or worse. You are both entitled to your opinions and are therefore allowed to speak your mind. For the time being I think we should leave this thought trail alone for the time being.

Apparently there is meant to be an announcement next week on upcoming Vita games. MGS5 has been rumoured. What other titles do you think will come up?

Well as excited as I am about the reimagining of FF10 (please fix the va's Square...esspecially Tidus & Seimore) I've heard rumors of FF8 getting the same treatment for Vita...I just hope they don't use the Dissidia Squall voice actor if they add voices, I hated how the guy sounded as though he was forcing back the urge to vomit lol.

Well I'm sure this goes without saying but I'll be expecting the God of War for Vita announcement before years end as well as another type of Patapon of Loco Roco. What'd REALLY floor me though is if sony desided to remake or sequal out The Legend of Dragoon!! That would cause me of officially faint with joy!!

I've never played a god of war title. Would be pretty awesome.

Well when you're old enough (if that's the case & you've got good loving parents if they're the reason you haven't played it yet, the game's VERY extreme even for adults) give it a shot. It's good & a fun & frantic play style with the ingame Quick Time Events being used well with grewt timing systems.

Still I'd be happier with a reimagined Legend of Dragoon or well written sequal.