Official Wii U Discussion Thread

They called Flash Storage "RAM", yeah, they know what they're talking about . Plus, having the same level GPU won't be enough to render 2 things at once even with better techniques, I know this is speculation, but some things they're talking about is wrong.

For one, Iwata has said the system won't be cheap, which is one of the thing's they base the article on (they think it'll be the same price as the Wii when it launched (yeah right), and second thing about Nintendo Never being ones to go into an arms race. Well they must have only come into home console gaming this generation then, because it's the only one where Nintendo has had the weakest console out there.

Plus, with new tech, it's pretty hard to make something as weak as the 360 without having a really cheap GPU.

I just hope people don't take this too seriously, I mean, I'm not expecting something extremely powerful, but it'll be beyond the current generation.

Starfox Retro Rumour

http://techtroid.co.uk/starfox-wii-u-at-e3-2012-10079

I honestly can't see, why people keep saying all the money is from the tablet controller. ??? we don't even know how much tech is in the console it's self, not alone the controller. if anything I can see the newest form of bluetooth being used, to be able to transmit the video wireless from the console. then with just a few add perks thrown into the controller. it seems arrogant to just say all the money is going to be in the new controller. We don't even know what's in the little white box, besides no Blu-Ray, or DVD. so without any of thous two in it, it will be able to make room for more money on game tech.

Edit: saw this on youtube and couldn't resist a laugh. XD

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/wii-u-blowout-hd/729794

They called Flash Storage "RAM", yeah, they know what they're talking about .

They called it "Flash RAM". Flash memory is indeed random access memory.

It's Digital Foundry. They do know what they're talking about.

Nintendo Never being ones to go into an arms race. Well they must have only come into home console gaming this generation then, because it's the only one where Nintendo has had the weakest console out there.

True, "never" was a poor choice of words because Nintendo used to compete on a graphical level. But that was still nearly ten years ago. The new Nintendo...is a bit cheap. The DS, 3DS, and the Wii were all built to be economical. I don't see why that would change with the Wii U.

Plus, with new tech, it's pretty hard to make something as weak as the 360 without having a really cheap GPU.

And a lot of rumors are saying it's using a really cheap GPU.

Like I've said before, I really think people need to prepare themselves for the possibility of (roughly) current gen level hardware. That doesn't mean the system is going to suck. Just don't expect it to blow you away with much that couldn't be done visually this generation.

I have to agree with Jacob's last paragraph. That said, if games can look as good as that Zelda tech demo, then I'll be completely happy with it.

The whole talk of specifications is really boring though, bring on the games and controller possibilities! That's what I'm excited about.

But wouldn't they be using NAND flash like in the Wii and 3DS? That's not Random access at all, only NOR flash is. And yeah I know they know what they're saying generally, but they're really speculating on mostly nothing here.

I was talking about home consoles, not handhelds, everything but the GBA was the weakest handheld of it's Generation.

I'm not saying that it'll blow us away, I'm just saying that it'll be more capable than people give it credit for, but I'm not expecting third parties to use those capabilities much.

( Edited 06.05.2012 00:14 by Stulaw )

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57429380-1/nintendos-wii-u-launch-game-lineup-outed/

3rd party = meh (other than AC, batman, and tekken)

Mario = meh (it's not anything fresh)

Pikmin = OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( Edited 07.05.2012 22:42 by bornforthis43 )

That's a fake list, Blockbuster put in guessed placement fillers all the time.

My reaction to the majority of the internet's reaction to this list...

I'm actually becoming speechless now, I really don't understand what has happened, am I dreaming? I can't believe I even have to say what I'm about to say.

Shops do these lists all the time before a console gets launched, it's nothing new and means literally nothing. They've taken some of the games they think will be launch games and ones they already know about (announced or revealed at E3 last year) and just added them to their site.

How anyone could think it's an official list of all the launch games is beyond me. Nintendo have their games to show off for a start and we know there's more than just Pikmin 3 (in terms of the big titles), which we've known about for years.

My main concern is Nintendo going to have a strong first party line up? The 3DS we all know had a weak line up but the 1st party games which came out later kicked some ass, if they launched it with the console it would have been different. As much as I love New Super Mario Bros, it's not really a game thats going to wow the audience because we already seen it and experienced it before.

Nintendo have been working on the platform the GC & Wii for quiet some time, they are working on a new console thats got more punch to its predecessors so they have to change their game plan. The same old Nintendo cookie cutter isn't going to work bold so well with the current audience who have disengaged from that many many years ago. Nintendo to full embrace the HD and social network scene, if they are the same old Nintendo post-E3, they might aswell dig up their own grave.

Yes & that makes me happy....I just hope the divide Nintendo has to cross with people who've only known playstation isn't impossible due yo ignorant bias with all the console warriors being anti Nintendo on sony's front...that'd be an UTTER waste if they flat out refused to even give Nintendo a chance due to preconceived notions.

Edit, what I said was for Marzy's post not your pessimism Ifry.

A portion of a Gamasutra interview with Epic's Time Sweeney...

Gamasutra: I know it’s under wraps, but you guys are probably feeling pretty okay about Unreal Engine 4.

Tim Sweeney: Yeah, we’re starting a behind-closed-doors showing of the engine to developers; this is part of our very early ramp-up cycle. We went through this cycle with Unreal Engine 3 starting in 2003 and 2004. At some point we’ll make public announcements and ramp up to the point where developers are shipping games, but it’s very early right now. We’re aiming very high, and the intended platforms this is aimed at haven’t even been announced.

http://mynintendonews.com/2012/05/08/epic-the-intended-platforms-unreal-engine-4-is-aimed-at-havent-even-been-announced/

Notice how he said unannounced platforms.

( Edited 08.05.2012 19:34 by Linkyshinks )

Techically Wii U is due to be re-announced, plus all those NDAs floating around has stopped developers from announcing games for the system; if Epic were to announce compatibility that might give off too many hints of the Wii U's power, which I doubt Nintendo want at this stage.

He meant the platforms for the engine are Unannounced, I.E, they haven't announced the platforms they're on, I see how it could be misread, but seriously, they haven't unveiled the engine yet, so of course they're unannounced.

Ehm... these are his words: "The intended platforms this is aimed at haven’t even been announced."

Wii U is announced. Although revealed would be a better word... Didn't MS and Sony announce they're working on the next gen?
I just don't think Wii U is a priority for them. They never got along with Nintendo. Now that Nintendo is once again going for the cheap but efficient machine, they probably feel that UE3 is enough for that. And can you blame them?

Now maybe if the Wii U becomes a popular console for hardcore gamers, they'll change their mind. Before that, I don't see why they would.

But I really don't see the point in discussing it at the moment. E3 is less than 1 month away. We'll know the specs by then. And we can all predict how it goes: The machine isn't super powerful, but it's got the screen and all these fun things you can do with it. Nintendo will show around 5 killer apps that everybody's excited about. Except maybe some hardcore nerds who are jealous but too proud to admit it.

Yeah exactly they haven't announced the platforms it's intended to be on, and considering UE3 can run on Flash and the iPhone 3GS, they can make a version of UE4 for the Wii U, when it comes to engines, it's not necessarily the power, it's what the machine can do with that power.

Not exactly what I meant, but whatever. I'll just wait a few weeks.

Have we as experinced Nintendo fans really fallen so far as to dispute GRAPHICS?!!?? There are SOOOOO many more important aspects to gaming than mere visual capabilities. We're above the norm after all...

It's not about graphics, it's about power. If UE4 can't run on Wii U, it won't get UE4 games. That's what some people would be worried about.

Stu, I think some people are reading it as the consoles that can run it haven't been announced by their makers. Wii U has been announced, whereas Xbox 3 and PS4 haven't. Going by that, they're ruling out UE4 running on Wii U. I see how it can be taken both ways, but no idea which is meant. By the sounds of things, UE4 won't run on Wii U, or they won't make an effort to make it to. That's the main concern for some people - if it can't run certain engines it'll miss out on certain games. But yes, E3 is close by, so I'm sure we'll learn then. Fingers crossed.

Yeah, I know it's ambiguous what the guy's saying, and I apoligise if I come across angry (I don't think my avatar helps). But no, power has very little to do with it, it's the effects the hardware can do more than anything, Engines are different for each platform, they're not simply ported over, they have to be changed to suit the hardware(or with PC's suit the API conditions). That's probably where that "Wii U's Graphics are weaker than the Xbox 360's" comment came from a few weeks ago, someone who saw something that was just ported over running slowly thought it meant the console was weaker.

I'm not saying there will be a version of UE4 for the Wii U, it's up to Epic whether they want to make a version for it. Console drivers don't have to use the API, so they can always make the engine fit the console, not the console fit the engine. John Carmack explains it from about 3 minutes ish.

I suppose I'm the only one on here really pumped up for this game :

http://www.edge-online.com/features/nightmare-returns-aliens-colonial-marines

Since I don't have a PS3 or XBox 360 and considering the guys at Gearbox pretty much confirmed that the Wii U version will be the definitive version of it, I can't wait to play it on my Wii U , especially since it's a frigging canon story that follows up my favourite film in the franchise

This is why I stay out of these debates for the most part - I know fuck all to do with the graphics side of things and how it all works. See what you mean with it being Epic's choice to make a UE4 engine for Wii U, though. Suppose it depends just how powerful Wii U is in the end. If it's significantly less than what UE4 will run on, would they go out of their way to make the engine work with it?

I won't be too fussed in the end, since I'll get the PS4 eventually anyway, so I'll get my FF and other 3rd party stuff there, and Nintendo will have my Zelda and Metroid. Just would be nice for those that prefer only one console to have all their Nintendo and 3rd party stuff on one unit, like the GC. Can't have it all, though, and you sort of have to expect it with Nintendo these days.

Yeah lets forget that, it's not something we'll know until the Engine is actually unveiled anyway, which isn't until the end of the year.

@Rudy, yeah I've been looking into Aliens:CM, it sounds like Gearbox are really being enthusiastic about the Wii U version. I'll probably get it on PC if anything though, as I don't know if I'll get a Wii U at launch. I'm still trying to get through Aliens Vs Predator, I'm stuck on a predator mission because I don't have enough health.