Sega Hopeful for Core Title Success on Wii

Birdo Is A Tranny said:
A last gen Mario Tennis game,
Virtue Vs Mario Tennis no competition there.

Let me rephrase:

Valkyria Chronicles SEGA's newest and most interesting IP has gone to PS3.

SEGA are good guys. Look at every other developer we thought we loved, none of them are supporting Wii in the way SEGA is, with actual ground up games rather than spin offs and last gen ports.

A new great Tennis game on Wii is completely inevitable given the kind of console it is.

That\'s what we thought about FPS also. Look how that turned out.

with actual ground up games rather than spin offs and last gen ports.

I don\'t give a shit about ground up if they are crap games.

- The first good 3D Sonic of the gen (Debatable)
- Monkey Ball (I\'ll give you that)
- NiGHTS (LOL)
- Samba de Amigo (Meh aimed at casual)
- Mario & Sonic (They HAD to make an effort for Mario and Nintendo\'s sake)
- Arguably the best version of SEGA SuperStars (except online) (One step foward from WiiSports and two steps back)

We got the same shit from SEGA that we got off everyone else it was just spun a different way.

( Edited 19.01.2009 23:17 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

Linkyshinks said:

Andrezao said:

Linkyshinks said:
\"Gorgeous alien-shooter The Conduit\"

You have got to be kidding me lol. Are these your words or his via the company line crap?

What\'s so wrong about it? I thought they worked pretty well on it. Fair enough it might be a little generic, but looks damn good for a Wii game.

\"I have posted here a few times about why I think it looks lame.

http://www.cubed3.com/topic/32151/2/

They have worked very hard on it, and it\'s certainly commendable, as say in one of these posts. IMO it has been a waste of time.

Monster Hunter Tri looks damn good for a Wii game, certainly not this.

Oh no, I understand and respect your opinion, however, you might want to take this into consideration \"date added: on 17.07.2008 at 16:33\" Surely they\'ve done some work in the last 6 months right?

Monster Hunter Tri is another league tho, Capcom better make it look nice to keep their fans happy and reel in new players. For their own Sake!

( Edited 19.01.2009 23:15 by Andrezao )

Some people liked NiGHTS and it wasn't too badly received as far as Sonic Team games go. The Wii is getting a solid FPS in the guise of The Conduit, plus the Wii is a family console so a Tennis game is more inevitable than always. Sports on Wii = profit.

Samba is casual but it's still a "big" SEGA IP. People loved it in the DC days.

Besides, not everyone liked Monkey Ball Wii and it was poorly received. Is it really the best SEGA game on Wii, but also one of the worst received? It really falls to opinion, and in my opinion, Sonic Wii is great, and Virtua Tennis is meh compared to Mario Tennis.

Hell yeah now that im getting some money now. now i can get games i want.

This is where you fail:

People loved it in the DC days.

The concuit is making an effort but in the end it fails I don\'t think were are ever going to see a good FPS on the Wii which is a shame.

SMB was overall a good game (Mixed reviews but over it was decent).

Sonic on the other hand was THE MOST irritating wii game I have had the displeasure of playing (Reviews were worse than SMB in general).

I\'m trying to point out the fact that SEGA\'s support for wii is nothing better or less than the support that the wii gets from other companies. You seem to be more interest in talking about what games are better than other games, something I\'m not really interested in talking about, especially SEGA games.

( Edited 19.01.2009 23:35 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

I don't see how we know the Conduit will fail this early on in the game.

What I'm trying to point out is that unlike Capcom, from whom we just get port after port, and Namco, who really don't care, and Squeenix who has like 2 big Wii games, SEGA is constantly putting out decent-great Wii titles, and they're original too.

So even if they're not the greatest games ever, I still think SEGA should be praised for supporting the Wii on the hardcore front as it has done.

SEGA is constantly putting out decent-great Wii titles, and they\'re original too.

Reviews disagree. There is no great SEGA game for Wii.

Squeenix who has like 2 big Wii games

Ya 2 good ones (Better than SEGA has ever shitted out). Capcom\'s ports over NiGHTS or any of that Sonic trash anyday.

So even if they\'re not the greatest games ever, I still think SEGA should be pittied or spat on for attempting to support the Wii on the hardcore front as it has tried.

Fixed

They are no where near good for hardcore standards (maybe for SEGA standards, especially sonic team) SEGA have just wasted their time....

( Edited 20.01.2009 00:05 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

Well at least it's tried, unlike most devs have done.

Like I said, games like Valkyria Chronicle show that SEGA still have a lot of promise, and it's not unreasonable to think some of that way come to Wii, as they've supported the Wii just as well, if not better than other consoles (minus PS3 who gets a luverly SRPG).

TRYING on a console like Wii is admirable, even if the games are not.

I hope sega realizes that they always do very well when they make an RPG game. Look at PSO, Skies and Valkyria Chronicles last year. High quality, much outweighing the sonic games of their years. Looking forward to see how Madworld turns out but you never know till you try it

Sonic's main problem is that it's dev absolutely refuses to give it up no matter how little they care about the way past cool little guy. SEGA had a hard time convincing Sonic Team to let BioWare make an RPG.

I think there's an anime of Valkyria being made or something. So yeah, unexpected hit.

Well at least it's tried, unlike most devs have done.

Tried....badly.
The should just give up a do a ubisoft on it.
Mass production of shovelware.

I like SEGA's games though. I liked Monkey Ball, I liked Sonic, Mario and Sonic was alright, I'm looking forward to Black Knight too.

SEGA's choice to persevere instead of turning to shovelware is in itself admirable.

SEGA\'s choice to persevere instead of turning to shovelware is in itself admirable.

No it\'s pathetic, it\'s like the DC, they should know when to give up.

( Edited 20.01.2009 01:04 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

Birdo Is A Tranny said:

Well at least it's tried, unlike most devs have done.

Tried....badly.
The should just give up a do a ubisoft on it.
Mass production of shovelware.

Birdo Is A Tranny said: No it\'s pathetic, it\'s like the DC, they should know when to give up.

The games they\'ve brought out haven\'t been astounding, but they haven\'t been that bad either. They could do better i think, but at least they\'re bringing things out for Q1 09. Who else is bringing out hardcore titles for the Wii in Q1? Certainly not Ubisoft, i can tell you that. I have read that list, and my god, let me tell you i have never seen anything more horrendous than that since NYKO\'s Wii Remote. Aside from SEGA\'s titles, the only thing we\'re getting is Castlevania Judgment(Europe release i mean), which only has one redeeming feature, and that is to unlock the bonus content in Order of Ecclesia. I still may pick it up at some point though, it looks weird but kinda fun, and there\'s something about the thought of beating people senseless with a whip that i find... satisfying.

I\'ll tell you who needs to pack it in. Sonic the \"now its just getting sad\" rodent. Its the same freaking thing game after game. Like with Sonic Unleashed, ignorant Sonic fans were screaming in my ears that this next title was going to \"bring Sonic back\", but... oh wait, its crap. the storybook sub-story thing isn\'t too bad i hear, but i wont be getting Black Knight thats for damn sure; as i say nowadays to 3D Sonic games, no Chao, no buy. Sonic should just stick to the Rush games on the DS.

What I\'m trying to point out is that unlike Capcom, from whom we just get port after port...

Well... it\'s not as bad as the N64 era at least, where they only gave us 3 games...

( Edited 20.01.2009 04:23 by IxisNaugus )

Mario_0 said:

Birdo Is A Tranny said:

Well at least it\'s tried, unlike most devs have done.

Tried....badly.
The should just give up a do a ubisoft on it.
Mass production of shovelware.

How on earth is this a better option?

They might do a better effort than ubisoft do and make some more money off it. The only way sonic games are alive is because of the real fans and SEGA are taking advantage of them.

THAT is cold. SEGA fans will never allow that though...

SEGA fans might not like it, but it won\'t stop SEGA if they ever go down that road.

( Edited 20.01.2009 13:10 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

Birdo Is A Tranny said:
They might do a better effort than ubisoft do and make some more money off it. The only way sonic games are alive is because of the real fans and SEGA are taking advantage of them.

SEGA fans might not like it, but it won't stop SEGA if they ever go down that road.

SL Unleashed wasn't great, it was average (look at reviews don't base it on your opinion unless you say I think unleashed was great). When we get a
new Mario game we get quality (The wait is well worth it). Crach and Spyro are worse than Sonic by their recent games.

2D sonic is great, the rush series (which was actually good) salvaged what was left of sonic.

but now they seem to be offering much better Wii titles already.

They aren't.

Birdo Is A Tranny said:
SL Unleashed wasn\'t great, it was average (look at reviews don\'t base it on your opinion unless you say I think unleashed was great). When we get a
new Mario game we get quality (The wait is well worth it). Crach and Spyro are worse than Sonic by their recent games.

They aren\'t.

( Edited 20.01.2009 15:52 by SuperLink )

Unleashed was great, for Sonic fans atleast, even those of us who thought Shadow and \'06 were shit. Many fans as well as myself think some reviewers are simply trolling (IGN\'s review is a great example). The werehog\'s presence in the game certainly doesn\'t drag what would otherwise be an excellent 3D Sonic experience into the sub-50 scoring zone, that and the 360 version has 21 daytime stages to 13 Night stages, and almost half of those Night stages are optional. I could go on forever. Basically, as is with GTA/Zelda games always getting amazing scores, even when the majority of players think some are overrated, Sonic Unleashed is definitely one of those that work the other way around (probably similarly to Banjo 3).

Every sonic game is great for a sonic fan. They all say Unleashed is amazing, but its not, its sub-par. Some reviewers are biased, yes, like Gamespot (notice how the 360 version got 3.5, yet the Wii version got 7. Dunno what thats all about...). But when the game gets constant average-ish reviews, then you cant actually say its so brilliant... unless of course you\'re a Sonic fan who forced themselves to believe Sonic is still at the top of his game.

Oh, and lets be realistic S-dude, No Zelda game is overrated .

( Edited 20.01.2009 16:28 by IxisNaugus )

IxisNaugus said:
Every sonic game is great for a sonic fan. They all say Unleashed is amazing, but its not, its sub-par. Some reviewers are biased, yes, like Gamespot (notice how the 360 version got 3.5, yet the Wii version got 7. Dunno what thats all about...). But when the game gets constant average-ish reviews, then you cant actually say its so brilliant... unless of course you\'re a Sonic fan who forced themselves to believe Sonic is still at the top of his game.

Example: Sonic Unleashed is by far the least flawed 3D Sonic game ever made. Game breaking glitches aren\'t present, and other glitches require a lot of trials and error to do properly.

Another example: Sonic fanboys will tell you they enjoyed Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 2006, but even those who hated those games could very possibly like Unleashed a lot.

That and Unleashed simply has to be praised for finally doing something great with the daytime gameplay, even though the nighttime gameplay is very arguably game breaking.

One last thing, I never said Unleashed was brilliant, I said it was great, especially for Sonic fans. It\'s far less broken than the original Sonic Adventure games, which everyone somehow loved. No huge camera problems other than with werehog, and instead of the Emerald hunting/shooting/fishing gameplay slowdown, we have werehog, which does have some perfectly decent platforming sections.

Anyone who tries to argue that Adventure is far superior needs to greatly consider these points, or they risk being seen as \"blinded by nostalgia\"

PS. I think Twilight Princess is pretty overrated. Great game but only got the reviews it got because it\'s a Zelda game.

( Edited 20.01.2009 16:47 by SuperLink )

i agree hole heartedly with birdo. superlink you need to take off those sega tinted specs and see segas wii contribution for what it is.

as far as sonic games are concerned sega need to realise that sonic doesent work in 3d. what they need to do is make a sonic rush game for the wii, only then will sonic return to his console glory days.

oh and imho both monkeyball and samba are as close to ports as you can get, even if they are built from the ground up. the only thing different about them when comparing them to previous generation games are the controls. they would never bring samba to the ps360 because of the cost of creating the controls, oh and the fact that the game content and graphics would have to be so much more. thats why its on wii and imo that makes it shovelware

( Edited 20.01.2009 17:01 by MiiWiiKing )

MiiWiiKing said:
i agree hole heartedly with birdo. superlink you need to take off those sega tinted specs and see segas wii contribution for what it is.

as far as sonic games are concerned sega need to realise that sonic doesent work in 3d. what they need to do is make a sonic rush game for the wii, only then will sonic return to his console glory days.

oh and imho both monkeyball and samba are as close to ports as you can get, even if they are built from the ground up. the only thing different about them when comparing them to previous generation games are the controls. they would never bring samba to the ps360 because of the cost of creating the controls

As for Monkey Ball, it has new music, new stages, new characters, new puzzles. Oh wait, every party game sequel does that.

SuperLink said:

Samba, just like any other music game. The same game with more options and different music. Is every iteration of Guitar Hero a port to you?

yes. why do u think dlc is a main part of the sales strategy? its cuz they know eventually people aint going to keep paying for a port of the same game but wid different songs.