Illegal PC emulation -VS- Wii VC/XBL Arcade

knighty said:
Bandwidth costs next to nothing for a company like Nintendo. They should have so much it costs essentially nothing/download.I regularly download demos on XBL (and I *think* you can do them with Silver which is free, dont quote me on it though) which are OVER 1 GIGABYTE. Nes games barely break a meg, the size of many images online. I mean, ffs Nintendo.Theyre doing their age old adage of making money off old franchises.

Star.

NES games not breaking 1meg? Dude, they usually never get past the 100k mark. Zelda is only 64k!

I have little to no knowledge of the NES so thanks for correcting that mistake. Thanks for the star. I think NES and SNES games should be free. Maybe

Slydevil said:
I dont have a problem with PC emulation but I dont enjoy it...Its weird, I find it takes the experience away, something about being able to double click it on and off cheapens it...The downloads are a compete rip-off though, ill only be getting a couple of N64 games (Paper Mario, Lylat Wars PLEASE)...

Saitek P2500, and a computer packet with free ROMs = win.

Look at it's beauty! You can flawlessly map anything up to (and including) the N64 onto that baby. Better than the Wii 'classic pad'. It's got all the right buttons in all the right places. The only slight awkwardness comes from having to map the PlayStation's L2 and R2 to the two face-buttons! That's it! It's utterly perfect for everything else! It's even got some goregous feeling rumble.

( Edited on 10.12.2006 01:29 by Oni )

I've been after something like that for a while. Beastly!

I also have the Logitech Rumble Joypad 2 that I use for arcade emulators. Also for M.U.G.E.N.

Oni-Ninja said:
Saitek P2500, and a computer packet with free ROMs = win.Look at its beauty! You can flawlessly map anything up to (and including) the N64 onto that baby. Better than the Wii classic pad. Its got all the right buttons in all the right places. The only slight awkwardness comes from having to map the PlayStations L2 and R2 to the two face-buttons! Thats it! Its utterly perfect for everything else! Its even got some goregous feeling rumble.( Edited on 10.12.2006 01:29 by Oni )

Emulating from the SNES and before generations is one thing but Playstation and N64? Come on, you can get most of those games really cheap still without much work. Infact I just saw an unopened Ocarina of Time at a Wal-Mart a few weeks ago.

( Edited on 10.12.2006 05:32 by Xeke )

But Sin & Punishment was not released in my country (along with a fair few other awsome PSone/N64 games), and to buy it would cost me a pretty penny indeed. That, and the fact that I have the largest PAL N64 collection that I've ever come by, so emulating most of these games as all above board for me, because I have them. I'm an ardant N64 collector, and have bought copiouse amounts of N64 gear, ranging from vast amounts of games (some really rare ones, too), to even memorabilia. So don't lecture me on morals, sonny. I've spent more than my fair share on this shit.

Most of the stuff I download is stuff that I cannot reasonably get hold of very easily, and if I could, they are usually from the era when PAL got either a really shoddy conversion, or some terrible localization, and many things were cuts/altered. Often it's both of these. This is why downloading the ROMs/images is often far more attractive. But I'm not a chump, and I will not pay these silly prices that they are charging.

Especially if in some cases (N64), the pad/s provided are rather ill-suited to the task at hand, and the version you're getting my not be the best (Sonic on VC is crappy slow, bordered PAL shite). Also, why should I feel happy about putting a rather big hole in a fiver for a twenty+ year old, 64k piece of software? It's madness. Pure madness. They should not be going into the plural of the pound. A single pound would be more than enough.

They'd probably end up making just as much of a killing, as sales would increase dramatically. This old shit ('cause that's what most of it is, when you see in the harsh light of day and not through rose-tinted glasses) should be made available as pure impulse buys. Beams hypothosis that it would 'cheapen' the experiance is bollocks. These are mostly shit old games that aren't worth the money.

I'd happily spend up to a fiver on N64 stuff, naturally. But even these games are ageing fast. They cost significant amounts of money when you buy them in shops or at local markets because they are now antiques, collector's items. Nothing to do with the quality of the games, or how enjoyable they are now. Electronic distribution takes this factor away completely.

( Edited on 10.12.2006 07:33 by Oni )

Oni-Ninja said:
But Sin & Punishment was not released in my country (along with a fair few other awsome PSone/N64 games), and to buy it would cost me a pretty penny indeed. That, and the fact that I have the largest PAL N64 collection that Ive ever come by, so emulating most of these games as all above board for me, because I have them. Im an ardant N64 collector, and have bought copiouse amounts of N64 gear, ranging from vast amounts of games (some really rare ones, too), to even memorabilia. So dont lecture me on morals, sonny. Ive spent more than my fair share on this shit.Most of the stuff I download is stuff that I cannot reasonably get hold of very easily, and if I could, they are usually from the era when PAL got either a really shoddy conversion, or some terrible localization, and many things were cuts/altered. Often its both of these. This is why downloading the ROMs/images is often far more attractive. But Im not a chump, and I will not pay these silly prices that they are charging. Especially if in some cases (N64), the pad/s provided are rather ill-suited to the task at hand, and the version youre getting my not be the best (Sonic on VC is crappy slow, bordered PAL shite). Also, why should I feel happy about putting a rather big hole in a fiver for a twenty+ year old, 64k piece of software? Its madness. Pure madness. They should not be going into the plural of the pound. A single pound would be more than enough.Theyd probably end up making just as much of a killing, as sales would increase dramatically. This old shit (cause thats what most of it is, when you see in the harsh light of day and not through rose-tinted glasses) should be made available as pure impulse buys. Beams hypothosis that it would cheapen the experiance is bollocks. These are mostly shit old games that arent worth the money.Id happily spend up to a fiver on N64 stuff, naturally. But even these games are ageing fast. They cost significant amounts of money when you buy them in shops or at local markets because they are now antiques, collectors items. Nothing to do with the quality of the games, or how enjoyable they are now. Electronic distribution takes this factor away completely.( Edited on 10.12.2006 07:33 by Oni )

I'll give you that games are probably easier for me to find here in the US.

yet again,my post is ignored by the masses

i might as well give up

but i wont

oni,you need to under stand,this is like pirating music,you may get it for free and still enjoy it,but it hurts the people who make it,for every game you DL for free,you take money away from the people who made that game,people like the developers, the artests, the advertisers, the packagers, the truck drivers who take it to the store, the people who come up with the ideas

if you keep doing this,thell be no money in the industry, and no reasion to continue making games.

that in turn leads to every game becoming a colectors item, and if that happens, do you think people would put the rom on the web?

so in doing that witch you think is just and fair,you are slowely killing the industry

i shall have no more to say on this topic

Montablac said:
oni,you need to under stand,this is like pirating music,you may get it for free and still enjoy it,but it hurts the people who make it,for every game you DL for free,you take money away from the people who made that game,people like the developers, the artests, the advertisers, the packagers, the truck drivers who take it to the store, the people who come up with the ideasif you keep doing this,thell be no money in the industry, and no reasion to continue making games.that in turn leads to every game becoming a colectors item, and if that happens, do you think people would put the rom on the web?so in doing that witch you think is just and fair,you are slowely killing the industryi shall have no more to say on this topic

You're been overly dramatic. We're talking about really old games here. Most of which were made by companies who aren't even around anymore. And the truckdrivers bit is classic. We are tlaking about electronically distributed old games. There are no truck drivers, there are no companies 'suffering'.

Just a few things that I'd like to mention here.

On the point mentioned about older games not being worth the money.

I disagree a little with the comments made as I have really enjoyed the original Zelda with the Collectors Edition. Its true some of the older games do show their age. But quite a few of them are decent to great. The recent VC reviews reflect this.

Also the cost of VC games is increased when you have to get past all of the copyright and rights tape. The rights for some games are complex and can be broken up into categories, like the soundtrack, storyline, lisence etc etc. I'm not a pro on the topic but it faurther significantly increases the cost of some games.

ROMs/emulations is theft plain and simple. This makes the arguement a complete null arguement. People lose money when you steal their games. Plain and simple.

IfritXVII said:
I dont entirely agree with PC emulation. I do it but only with certain games that I have owned before like the excellent Golvellius for the Sega Master System. Hopefully as time goes by, the quality of the Virtual Console will increase.

I personally agree with Beam. You do feel empty if you emulate due to the fact you can get any game you wish - just like that.

Although I won't be using the VC (I might use it maybe once or twice but not much) to buy games this is not because I think its crap, or overpriced. Its because I'd much prefer to pay a little extra and get the real thing in its box on the system its for. Thats really all I think anyone can say on it surely? You can't compare PC emulation with VC because one is legal one is not. [Awaits loads of loophole statements now] Spare yourself the time I'm not interested.

And 500% profit being bad? Erm no. The games you buy in a shop cost 45p to make. My maths is a bit rusty since lack of work after I took my GCSE but you know I'm damn sure that equates to more than a 500% profit.

( Edited on 10.12.2006 12:51 by James )

And 500% profit being bad? Erm no. The games you buy in a shop cost 45p to make. My maths is a bit rusty since lack of work after I took my GCSE but you know I'm damn sure that equates to more than a 500% profit.

I hope that was a joke.

I think he's mistaking it for "The disc costs 45p to make".

beamrider2600 said:

IfritXVII said:I dont entirely agree with PC emulation. I do it but only with certain games that I have owned before like the excellent Golvellius for the Sega Master System. Hopefully as time goes by, the quality of the Virtual Console will increase.

Master Systems are probably the cheapest consoles to buy, Golvellius is hardly the rarest game, its not much to play it without emulation.

I never said it was a rare game/system. I was just saying that I only ever download games I have previously owned no matter how easy/hard it is to find actual official copies of them.

People who think NES games are worth $5 have clearly been suckered in by Nintendo.

People who think that any of those prices are fair...

I'd maybe pay

I kind of wish I'd got a wired 360 pad to use on the PC....best, pad, EVER, FUCKING, MADE.

No it's not. Stop being silly

I'm sorry but the points system is an awful rip off, if I ever do use the system, it will be once and once only. So I will sue my 2000 points wisely. I support pirating off them because even charging for these games is silly, they should be giving these away as incentives. And the fact that they havn't even optamized or added anything highlights just how ripped off were getting. Shigsy should go play a PS3 in shame.