News: Rumour: Wii2 to have 8GB Internal Storage? Page 1

Echoes221 04.05.2011#1

Not enough. Considering that HDD's are so cheap these days its pretty unacceptable. I wish to be able to install DLC and install my games from the disk onto the system (noise and speed reduction/increase).

Particularly shoddy considering DLC for titles such as CoD is around the 700MB mark and game demos are usually just over a gig.

Sonic_13 04.05.2011#2

More than enough for most players and it'll keep the price and size of the console down. The base Xbox 360 only comes with half that (4gb). If people need more, then they can easily upgrade to significant amounts as the article states.

( Edited 04.05.2011 03:21 by Sonic_13 )

meeto_0 04.05.2011#3

Sonic_13 said:
More than enough for most players and it'll keep the price and size of the console down. The base Xbox 360 only comes with half that (4gb). If people need more, then they can easily upgrade to significant amounts as the article states.

I dont know how how you came to this conclusion but 8GB is inexcusable. If you want to try demos of a game that is in HD your talking 1GB at least. That was true of Dead Space 2, Dragon Age 2, Heavy Rain and so on when I downloaded them from the PSN. If I love a game and DLC comes out I need over half a Gb at least. And I want to preinstal, buy new wii ware titles (that have larger files so games like super meat boy can be made) I need more then 8GB.

I have noticed game saves take up a fair few Mb and if you make new saves within a game it adds up. If I have to buy add ons its like a stealth tax.

In reality its not cheaper. Thats why the core xbox 360 was heavily criticized. You need atleast 160GB in a console so that your average person doesnt have to sweat about space all the time. (Flash cards in this size range are still pricey)

HDDS are really cheap so I dont see the need to skimp. I just hope that if this rumour is true its to boast the power of the machine in terms of RAM to hel future proof the machine. Just equalling the 360 0r PS3 is going to damage third party support when the comp release new consoles.

Perhaps we will get cloud computing LOL

Actually 30-40Gb would work. Thinking about it more. A lot of people still arent buying loads of DLC and many dont want a multi entertainment system where your keeping music and films on the system.

( Edited 04.05.2011 04:37 by meeto_0 )

Sonic_13 04.05.2011#4

meeto_0 said:
I dont know how how you came to this conclusion but 8GB is inexcusable. If you want to try demos of a game that is in HD your talking 1GB at least.

Demo's aren't supposed to replace full games and Nintendo certainly doesn't want them to. With 8 gigs, you can download a couple of demos, try them out, delete them, and try more. If you really want to keep them for some reason, then that's why the memory is expandable (or you could just redownload them later). The system isn't limited to just 8gigs.

meeto_0 said:
If I love a game and DLC comes out I need over half a Gb at least. And I want to preinstal, buy new wii ware titles (that have larger files so games like super meat boy can be made) I need more then 8GB.

WiiWare games are currently limited to a very small file size. Super Meat Boy was shooting for a final size of just 39MB, which was still too big for WiiWare (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/01/super-meat-boy-wont-make-nov-on-wiiware-pc-still-on-track/) Obviously the game size limit will be larger, but they will still be enough space for a bunch of games. Again, space would be expandable if you want more.

meeto_0 said:
I have noticed game saves take up a fair few Mb and if you make new saves within a game it adds up. If I have to buy add ons its like a stealth tax.

There's plenty of space for game saves plus demos, DLC, and other downloads with 8gigs.

meeto_0 said:
You need atleast 160GB in a console so that your average person doesnt have to sweat about space all the time.

The average person doesn't need a lot of space. This generation, the average person probably hasn't come close to using up the Wii's 512mb. The average person =/= "hardcore gamers".

Also, unlike other systems there will be no movie or music downloads that need space.

The most important thing to consider in all this is that the 8gig storage space is just a rumor.

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[quote][b]meeto_0 said:[/b] I dont know how how you came to this conclusion but 8GB is inexcusable. If you want to try demos of a game that is in HD your talking 1GB at least.[/quote]Demo's aren't supposed to replace full games and Nintendo certainly doesn't want them to. With 8 gigs, you can download a couple of demos, try them out, delete them, and try more. If you really want to keep them for some reason, then that's why the memory is expandable (or you could just redownload them later). The system isn't limited to just 8gigs.

[quote][b]meeto_0 said:[/b] If I love a game and DLC comes out I need over half a Gb at least. And I want to preinstal, buy new wii ware titles (that have larger files so games like super meat boy can be made) I need more then 8GB.[/quote]WiiWare games are currently limited to a very small file size. Super Meat Boy was shooting for a final size of just 39MB, which was still too big for WiiWare (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/01/super-meat-boy-wont-make-nov-on-wiiware-pc-still-on-track/) Obviously the game size limit will be larger, but they will still be enough space for a bunch of games. Again, space would be expandable if you want more.

[quote][b]meeto_0 said:[/b] I have noticed game saves take up a fair few Mb and if you make new saves within a game it adds up. If I have to buy add ons its like a stealth tax.[/quote]There's plenty of space for game saves plus demos, DLC, and other downloads with 8gigs.

[quote][b]meeto_0 said:[/b] You need atleast 160GB in a console so that your average person doesnt have to sweat about space all the time. [/quote]The average person doesn't need a lot of space. This generation, the average person probably hasn't come close to using up the Wii's 512mb. The average person =/= "hardcore gamers".

Also, unlike other systems there will be no movie or music downloads that need space.

The most important thing to consider in all this is that the 8gig storage space is just a rumor.

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Stulaw 04.05.2011#5

I doubt it'll be just 8 gigs, they might include an SD card with the system that's 8gigs, or that might be there smallest disc/cartridge size for putting games on, but not internal memory.

I think we're more likely to see Nintendo's own HDD like the Xbox has it's own type.

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GamerOz (guest) 04.05.2011#6

I think it's reasonable in some ways. First, it's plenty for who doesn't really use it, also it brings the price down, if you want more space go buy it for extra, another reasong would be size, maybe Nintendo wants to maintain the small aspect of the console. and Unless they want to have the RROD syndrome, they would have to make the console bigger in order to have proper cooling.

As long as gave saves and data can be booted from an external source, I'm happy. This could easily mean a $50-$70 cut back on price for the average consumer. I just want a decent machine, with good games and power, if there's work around for storage such as buying an external HDD I don't see the problem.

Oktoras (guest) 04.05.2011#7

Hmm, 32GB SDHC memory cards are quite cheap nowdays, and prices for SDXC memory cards are started to coming down. So no problem for me, for starters, I would take 32GB SDHC memory card and that would be enough for a while.

I highly prefer flash based storage over HDD.

However, let's hope that there is no limitations for running downloaded applications directly from memory card.

RudyC3 04.05.2011#8

For once I'm just happy that it's just a rumour. But if it turns out to be true then Nintendo have learned nothing from their mistakes.

Oktoras (guest) said:
let's hope that there is no limitations for running downloaded applications directly from memory card.

What must be understood regarding SD and SDHC cards is their access speeds, for the cheapest ones, are fairly low. This would render anything running directly from it (espcially games with high end graphics) awfully slow, actually worse than the actual Wii disc drive which for me peaks at 5MB/sec. A class 2 32GB SDHC card on the other hand will peak at 2MB/sec.

You could get class 10 cards (which peak at 10MB/s) but that's still not a huge improvement on discs and for high def games, you definitely need fast access... AND class 10 cards are MUCH more expensive. 40 to 50€ for a cheap brand class 10 32 GB SDHC card at the moment. Sure this'll have lowered a fair bit by the time the console actually gets released but either way, even class 10 cards are still too slow to run any huge software such as HD games directly from them.

You can test what I mean by installing a HD game you have for your PC on your 32 GB SDHC card, if you have a fairly powerful PC and possess such games. You'll see what I mean by "slow". The game might not even be able to run properly :/.

I have to agree with the fact that it brings the overall price for the console down, and that's a good thing for the consumer. Don't make the same mistake as Sony by imposing a feature which won't necessarily be useful to every customer, like the blu-ray disc drive in the console which in the early years made the console far too expensive to produce AND to buy for the consumer, while in the end, it wasn't all to necessary when you see how 360 games still hold pretty well today compared to PS3, and they come on standard DVDs. (though I think that now DVDs SHOULD be ditched on any upcoming hardware. These have become too short on storage)

A good direction to render storage capacity "optional" would be to allow for USB 3.0 external HDDs. These are the way Nintendo should go if those rumours prove to be true.

( Edited 04.05.2011 09:06 by Kafei2006 )

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For once I'm just happy that it's just a [b]rumour[/b]. But if it turns out to be true then Nintendo have learned nothing from their mistakes.

[quote][b]Oktoras (guest) said:[/b] let's hope that there is no limitations for running downloaded applications directly from memory card.[/quote]
What must be understood regarding SD and SDHC cards is their access speeds, for the cheapest ones, are fairly low. This would render anything running directly from it (espcially games with high end graphics) awfully slow, actually worse than the actual Wii disc drive which for me peaks at 5MB/sec. A class 2 32GB SDHC card on the other hand will peak at 2MB/sec.

You [b]could[/b] get class 10 cards (which peak at 10MB/s) but that's still not a huge improvement on discs and for high def games, you definitely need fast access... AND class 10 cards are MUCH more expensive. 40 to 50€ for a cheap brand class 10 32 GB SDHC card at the moment. Sure this'll have lowered a fair bit by the time the console actually gets released but either way, even class 10 cards are still too slow to run any huge software such as HD games directly from them.

You can test what I mean by installing a HD game you have for your PC on your 32 GB SDHC card, if you have a fairly powerful PC and possess such games. You'll see what I mean by "slow". The game might not even be able to run properly :/.

I have to agree with the fact that it brings the overall price for the console down, and that's a good thing for the consumer. Don't make the same mistake as Sony by imposing a feature which won't necessarily be useful to every customer, like the blu-ray disc drive in the console which in the early years made the console far too expensive to produce AND to buy for the consumer, while in the end, it wasn't all to necessary when you see how 360 games still hold pretty well today compared to PS3, and they come on standard DVDs. (though I think that now DVDs SHOULD be ditched on any upcoming hardware. These have become too short on storage)

A good direction to render storage capacity "optional" would be to allow for USB 3.0 external HDDs. These are the way Nintendo should go if those rumours prove to be true.

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Echoes221 04.05.2011#9

Sonic_13 Said: This generation, the average person probably hasn't come close to using up the Wii's 512mb. The average person =/= "hardcore gamers".

I'm sorry that is entirely wrong, did you actually read any of the other comments? If the next console is to take on PS/60 then that is nowhere near enough. Wii Ware games only take up that much because thats all nintendo allow them and hence why Super Meat Boy didn't launch on the Wii. On the PSN/XBLA games are up to about 1.5 GB so you're telling me that 8Gb is enough Pfft. If DLC games are going to look even half decent, the limits will have to be raised considerably, especially since this console is 'meant' to be stronger that the playstation.

And you're entirely forgetting that 512MB is nowhere near enough for any person on the Wii, hence the whole Nintendo community where SCREAMING at Nintendo to allow us to run our titles off the SDHC instead of having to delete/move/re-download our titles. The wii having so much 'Channel space' on the home screen is entirely misleading, I filled the first page and the first row of the second (vertically) before I had to start deleting and moving stuff - and this was with all of the base software that Nintendo jams on which takes a load of space (news reader, nintendo channel, iPlayer etc etc)

8GB is totally unacceptable. I wish to see a Minimum of 120GB. Remember also, that the core version of the 360 was 4GB, but you couldn't install anything on that, that was only for updates, and game saves. If you wanted to get any DLC, XBLA titles you had to buy a HDD separately so the core model was pretty much pointless.

Amethyst 04.05.2011#10

My netbook has 8gb storage.

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Marzeee 04.05.2011#11

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it contains 8GB of flash-based storage. It seems like a very Nintendo thing to do.

The only things official:

- It will be revealed and be playable at E3
- It will release in 2012.

The rest are rumours, which I don't believe still.

Darkflame 04.05.2011#12

Not enough. Considering that HDD's are so cheap

Why om earth would anyone want a noisy, slow, more likely to brack, bigger, more heat generating and more power consumming HDD?

HDDs are old tech, Id gladly scarifice space for SDDs other advantages.

That said, SDD can be bigger while still be very cheap. 32GB classs 10 SDHC cards are sold for, like 20GBP online, Nintendo could probably get the chips a lot cheaper.

As fot 1GB install files just for demos, No. That just isnt needed at all. Lazy developers or poorly optmised engines.

You are right HDDs can still load games faster the DVDs....but, I wouldn't mind going the other way. SDD based games. 8GB is the current 3DS limit, but even normal SDHCs go upto 64GB. As the artical points out SDXCs can be even bigger.
Yes, they are more costly to make, but thats partly offset by being harder to pirate, and partly by being lisence free. (Nintendo would need to pay a little for each bluray disc they make, and with dvds each drive they make).

Going back to carts for us meanwhile means games could have their own save slots, load almost instantly, and patchs could go straight to the cart itself.
Shiny discs really arnt all that by comparison.

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Also, as I've mentioned before games should be getting smaller not bigger. Procedral tech is here and now but no ones using it. Effectively infinite resolution seemless non-repeating textures at a fraction of the filesize.

( Edited 04.05.2011 11:27 by Darkflame )

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Darkflame 04.05.2011#13

If DLC games are going to look even half decent, the limits will have to be raised considerably,

No. Space makes things easier for developers but it does not make things look better.
Sony tried to push that myth with bluray, but it just doesnt work - exclusive ps3 games look no better then exclusive xbox ones.
Meanwhile, meatboy might be a great game,but it doesnt look better then Robox,Lost Winds or a handfull of other games.
(With meatboy it was the sound where it went over, btw, which mkes more sense)

Not that Wiiware shouldnt have more space, but honestly, it doent effect graphics. Textures can fit in supprisingly small space if your efficiant with your uv layout.

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welshwuff 04.05.2011#14

Not only a rumor but a rumor with no trail, it just appears on Kotaku with no lead where it came from... frankly im surprised at cubed3, i always say if it's not posted here i don't beleive it, but here it is with just as much lack of evidence.

I doubt Nintendo will be as stupid as to repeat a major mistake as lack of memory in the console. AND STOP CALLING IT WII2 PEOPLE! Nintendo have more imagination than Sony when it comes to naming consoles gees, if you HAVE to call it something, call it Nintendo 6!

Supa_hyped 04.05.2011#15

8gb is fine. much prefer 8gb of ram but as long as it can be expanded it should b ok. besides if nintendo gave every customer 20-40gb on a cloud based system( u have to go online anyway for demo, dlc etc) then that 8gb becomes kinda irrelevant

Birdo Is A Tranny 04.05.2011#16

welshwuff said:
frankly im surprised at cubed3, i always say if it's not posted here i don't beleive it, but here it is with just as much lack of evidence.

Please get real. This is a Nintendo fan and news site. Of COURSE rumours are going to be posted here and talked about, if they weren't people would complain about the lack of coverage. Note that it says:

Rumour: Wii2 to have 8GB Internal Storage?

Most rumours have no source at all but that still doesn't mean there isn't some truth to them. I said it once I'll say it again: If you find that rumours upset you I'd advise you not to take any heed of them and not to post. Don't be such a buzz kill, a lot of us like speculating.

welshwuff said:

I doubt Nintendo will be as stupid as to repeat a major mistake as lack of memory in the console. AND STOP CALLING IT WII2 PEOPLE! Nintendo have more imagination than Sony when it comes to naming consoles gees, if you HAVE to call it something, call it Nintendo 6!

Gameboy
Gameboy pocket
Gameboy color
Gameboy advance
Gameboy advance SP

DS
DS Lite
DSi
DSi XL

Want me to continue? Not that I blame Nintendo they needed to cash in on the name. It doesn't really matter what the fuck we call it now. Anyway, it's a lot more likely to be called a Wii2 than a N6 anyway.

Echoes221 04.05.2011#17

No. Space makes things easier for developers but it does not make things look better.

I'm talking about for things like game demos such as Bulletstorm or Dead Space, they need that space to get all the base game mechanics, Hi Res textures, audio etc etc. Sorry I should of rephrased that, no having more space does not necessarily mean better graphics by any means, but if a developer uses it correctly it can net in some astounding looking games because more can be stored if you follow my drift?

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SSD's are still far too expensive to be called economical in terms of �£ to gb ratio in a console. Don't know if you've listened to a HDD for a while though, they make barely any noise, and any noise it does make is drowned out by cooling fans. HDD's are also considerably smaller than they used to be 2.5" etc, SSD (for PC's anyway) are approximately the same size, just thinner. They only way its going to get smaller is if its built on the mobo, but I would like the option to be able to take out the SDD and replace it with a bigger one. Heck, even allow us to swap out a HDD for an SSD.

SDHC cards are sold for, like 20GBP online, Nintendo could probably get the chips a lot cheaper.

They aren't fast enough to stream for the console though *Points to squids post*

Anyway, this is all pure rumour, but I'm saying from the off, 8GB is not enough, and that's a fact, otherwise you wouldn't all be talking about using SDHC cards and the like.

Marzeee 04.05.2011#18

If it's called Wii 2, it'd be the so bland. Anything is better than that, even Nintendo Poo, at least it's different.

jb 04.05.2011#19

The main reason I felt inclined to post this was because it does sound like the "Nintendo way" as some have pointed out here. 8GB is a "safe" way of playing it, I think that's what Nintendo would do but they *could* surprise us and pump in a hard-drive, but it just seems so unlikely given the Wii, DS and 3DS's history.

The 3DS is meaty, but doesn't have as much in the way of media or storage capabilities, and if they continue that way the Wii2/Cafe would probably have a similar fate: 8/16GB internal memory, SD expansion, MP3 support and that's it.

I think Nintendo won't go BluRay - it's growing unlikely, which is a shame imo. At least they should play DVDs and CDs by default, would be stupid to omit that this time with Wii2/Cafe.

I just wish the new Cafe/Wii2 has decent storage, GPU power and media capabilities. I want to at least be able to natively run MP3s, video formats and play DVDs. At least. You have to hack the shit out of the Wii just to do things decade old consoles could.

If the Cafe2 is gimped in terms of media/storage it will be another stubborn Nintendo refusing to move forward.

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SirLink 04.05.2011#20

Well, if this turns out to be true and there's a massive backlash I suppose that Nintendo could just always change that part of the system up before it gets released one year or more later. Smilie

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Lynk 04.05.2011#21

8GB Flash in a HD console more powerful than a PS3 is ridiculous! It needs at least 60GB of storage. I have 120GB on my 360 and have filled about 70/80GB of that depending on the number of installed games I have.

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meeto_0 04.05.2011#22

To Darkflame. Switch on a wii and a PS3 and decide what makes the most noise. The wii when its reading discs sounds so cheap. THe PS3 is almost quiet in my opinion.

Others have said that reading from cheap SD cards which is what most will opt for, will be slow and torturous (people dont consider the different quality of memory cards or consider speed writes.)

I dont think devs want to spend time optimising file size for demos. They want to quickly put a demo out and move on.

HDD arent the be all and end all. Infact, as soon as SSD become as cheap as HDD it will be a game changer for gaming. Sandbox games are going to be amazing.

Martin_ 04.05.2011#23

My reasons from the other thread why 8GB is ridiculously small, and not having a HDD is a terrible idea.

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MiiWiiKing said:
not really. if they revamp the online and give us online storage then all vc, wiiware, dlc and demo could be stored online.
That'd be a rather terrible/hilarious situation. Most of the DLC I have on my PS3 and 360 is well over 1GB. Some of it is well over 2GB. Imagine having to download that shit every time you wanted to play it. You'd be waiting half an hour. Every time.
MiiWiiKing said:
8gb for game saves and system updates is enough, if u need more theres sd cards
It'd be just about enough for simple game saves. It'd quickly fill-up though with the size of today's game saves (do not look at your Wii save files for comparison). That's just simple game saves. What about installs?
The HDD is the one reason that some PS3 games looks way better than anything on 360. Roughly 20GB of install data is on my PS3 HDD. If installation of game data is going to be an option to Wii2 developers, they are going to need way more than 8GB of on-board storage.
Online storage for installation data is impractical to the point of being essentially impossible, due to the same reasons why having DLC stored online is stupid. Even more so in this case. The whole idea of installing game data to the HDD is that it can be read from that source much faster than it can be read from the disc.
Imagine GTA stalling for five minutes to load installation data from the cloud to load the next part of the city. Of course Rockstar would just opt to have the game run entirely from disc in that scenario. But then the game is worse than it might have been.
As for SD cards - they have their uses. Basically, I would use an SD card to take a game save to a friend's house. I would not consider SD cards as viable alternatives to a nice big HDD. I would end up having to have an array of SD cards, which would end up costing me a small mint. Plus, it would just feel like I'm buying memory cards again. Which would suck balls.
MiiWiiKing said:
if u need more online storage outside of whats allotted to each user then im guessing it would be available for purchase.
Uh, well I personally would consider that a rip-off. I got done paying for memory cards/equivalents years ago. Like relying on SD cards for saves, to me relying on 'paid for' online storage would just feel like I'm paying for memory cards again, and only because Nintendo are too short-sighted to include a nice big HDD.
I'm thinking by the time Wii2 launches, a 250GB HDD would be the absolute minimum acceptable amount. I'd totally be willing to pay a little extra for Wii2 if that's what needs to happen for them to consider including a HDD. Not including one will definitely damage the console in the long-run, and probably even in the short-run.
MiiWiiKing said:
this can be done on the psn right now....... well not RIGHT now
The less said about PSN the better
Seriously hope MS and Nintendo have taken big notes on Sony's fiasco so that they never find themselves in the same boat. It would highly surprise me if they hadn't.

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My reasons from the other thread why 8GB is ridiculously small, and not having a HDD is a terrible idea.

[spoiler][quote][b]I said:[/b]8GB is really pathetic. Xbox 1 had an 8GB HDD from launch, what.. ten years ago? Anyways, I personally hope Nintendo doesn't continue down this road of insisting on flash memory. I know it has it's advantages, but for the moment the price-to-storage ratio is still dire when compared with HDDs.

In other words, Nintendo - please just include a standard HDD. Copy the PS3 design and make it so that I can install any third-party PC hard drive with no hassle, and without voiding my warranty. SD cards are OK for some things, so why not continue to have SD ports as well.

Lack of a HDD will damage it if it truly intends to compete technologically with future competition, which will certainly include big HDDs that developers can use to enable more impressive games to run.[/quote][/spoiler]

[spoiler][quote][b]I said:[/b][quote][b]MiiWiiKing said:[/b] not really. if they revamp the online and give us online storage then all vc, wiiware, dlc and demo could be stored online.[/quote]

That'd be a rather terrible/hilarious situation. Most of the DLC I have on my PS3 and 360 is [i]well[/i] over 1GB. Some of it is well over 2GB. Imagine having to download that shit every time you wanted to play it. You'd be waiting half an hour. [i]Every time[/i].

[quote][b]MiiWiiKing said:[/b] 8gb for game saves and system updates is enough, if u need more theres sd cards[/quote]

It'd be just about enough for simple game saves. It'd quickly fill-up though with the size of today's game saves (do not look at your Wii save files for comparison). That's just simple game saves. What about installs?

The HDD is the one reason that some PS3 games looks way better than anything on 360. Roughly 20GB of install data is on my PS3 HDD. If installation of game data is going to be an option to Wii2 developers, they are going to need [i]way[/i] more than 8GB of on-board storage.

Online storage for installation data is impractical to the point of being essentially impossible, due to the same reasons why having DLC stored online is stupid. Even more so in this case. The whole idea of installing game data to the HDD is that it can be read from that source [i]much[/i] faster than it can be read from the disc.

Imagine GTA stalling for five minutes to load installation data from the cloud to load the next part of the city. Of course Rockstar would just opt to have the game run entirely from disc in that scenario. But then the game is worse than it might have been.

As for SD cards - they have their uses. Basically, I would use an SD card to take a game save to a friend's house. I would [i]not[/i] consider SD cards as viable alternatives to a nice big HDD. I would end up having to have an array of SD cards, which would end up costing me a small mint. Plus, it would just feel like I'm buying memory cards again. Which would suck balls.

[quote][b]MiiWiiKing said:[/b] if u need more online storage outside of whats allotted to each user then im guessing it would be available for purchase.[/quote]

Uh, well I personally would consider that a rip-off. I got done paying for memory cards/equivalents years ago. Like relying on SD cards for saves, to me relying on 'paid for' online storage would just feel like I'm paying for memory cards again, and only because Nintendo are too short-sighted to include a nice big HDD.

I'm thinking by the time Wii2 launches, a 250GB HDD would be the absolute minimum acceptable amount. I'd totally be willing to pay a little extra for Wii2 if that's what needs to happen for them to consider including a HDD. Not including one will definitely damage the console in the long-run, and probably even in the short-run.

[quote][b]MiiWiiKing said:[/b] this can be done on the psn right now....... well not RIGHT now[/quote]

The less said about PSN the better :lol:

Seriously hope MS and Nintendo have taken big notes on Sony's fiasco so that they never find themselves in the same boat. It would highly surprise me if they hadn't.[/quote][/spoiler]

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Yoshindo1 04.05.2011#24

8GB of flash storage would not surprise me at all. Nintendo seems to always choose speed loads over sheer space. That said I will keep hoping there will be more and I will hope in vain that there will be external hard drive support.

Sonic_13 04.05.2011#25

Echoes221 said:
I'm sorry that is entirely wrong, did you actually read any of the other comments?

What other comments? Comment #2 was me responding to your first comment (#1) and comment #4 was me responding to #3. There were no other comments when I posted.

Echoes221 said:
And you're entirely forgetting that 512MB is nowhere near enough for any person on the Wii, hence the whole Nintendo community where SCREAMING at Nintendo to allow us to run our titles off the SDHC instead of having to delete/move/re-download our titles.

Again, you are mistaken. The average person =/= a "hardcore" gamer. The online gaming community is only a very small fraction of the entire gaming community. People with something to complain about are always the loudest online, but even still they are just a fraction of the online gaming community.

Don't misunderstand me. I am in no way saying that no one needs more space. There are absolutely people who need more space and there will be people who fill up the space very quickly.

But to say everyone needs more space, or even the majority of consumers, is simply incorrect.