Nintendo Confirms Commodore 64 for Wiis Virtual Console [news]

Awesome

There isn't really anything I want on Commodore 64 though, but it's cool that the support just keeps growing. So where is the MS-X?

Id love to see:

Excorist - Simple Pacman-ish thing with a catchy tune and a exploration aspex.

Mercenary - Fantasic Elite-ish 3D game set on a planet.

Ace - Great airplane shotter.

Powerball - Interesting platform game with a constantly bouncing ball.

I dought any of these will make it though.
Mercenary, or any of that series (DAMOCLES!) would be great.

Sweet Lord Hallelujah!!!!!!!!

Paradroid better be one of the first games released (although anyone interested could just play Freedroid on the internet instead). The purest game concept ever.

All gamers should play International Karate, IK+ and Yi Air Kung Fu. Let's hope we see the C64 version of Maniac Mansion (instead of the gimped NES version).

Finally, without a shadow of a doubt, The Last Ninja Trilogy is an absolute must.

They'd just better get the SID chip emulation right. What's the point of a C64 emulator without that fantastic music?

EDIT: Almost forgot Way of the Exploding Fist.

Now the one thing the VC needs, more than anything else, is the classics of the Commodore Amiga.

( Edited 21.02.2008 13:15 by Dr_R )

In Europe, there is a wide base of C64 lovers as there's a base of vintage console lovers in Japan (and USA?). So it's great to have it in Europe first.
I hope they are able to secure some rights and bring these games to USA and maybe Japan too...

Nice, good to see an expansion of the VC service

.. for outrageous prices.

Dude... commador 64.... thats cool!!!!

OMG, rofl people will actually PAY real money for C64 games? lol, no wonder Ninny can get away with not giving us demo of Wiiware games!

500 points isn't *too* bad for a few potential winners in the C64 library, compared to the more expensive later-generation prices. I do agree though that it is pretty high still, maybe in time they'd consider dropping it slightly. (e.g. 300 - NES, 500-SNES/GEN, 800-N64).

Fantastic, I was hoping this would happen, hopefully in time we will get the others also.

Have never played any Commodore 64 games, but hey, the more the merrier.

jb said:
500 points isn't *too* bad for a few potential winners in the C64 library, compared to the more expensive later-generation prices. I do agree though that it is pretty high still, maybe in time they'd consider dropping it slightly. (e.g. 300 - NES, 500-SNES/GEN, 800-N64).

I disagree completely. I think it's an absolute fucking rip-off. Don't forget, most C64 games are utterly unplayable, now. But beyond that, the VC's prices across the board are totally unacceptable. An N64 ROM on VC costs around �8, yeah? That's un unchanged ROM, just dumped on VC. No effort, no development, nothing.

When GoldenEye hits XBLA, it will have improved visuals, and added things such as online multiplayer, and it will go for as much or even less than the hilarious �8 Nintendo charge for old N64 ROMs which they just dump on their servers. Not to mention all the licensing issues. I doubt MS or Rare will make that much from GE on XBLA. The Virtual Console is an absolute con. You are being conned.

( Edited 21.02.2008 15:06 by Oni-Ninja )

Commodore 64 now? I need to edit a certain post

Knighty will be pleased.

Didn't C64 games cost this much at the time?

The mind boggles...

I haven't bought a single VC game yet. Maybe I'll buy Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. On the other hand, I might as well get it on the AGB for the same price.

When you compare NES to C64 they almost are even in size, graphics and playing value (aside fro the fact, that Mario on NES is still great today!), so even prices are okay.

Oni-Ninja said:
Don't forget, most C64 games are utterly unplayable, now.

That's no more true for the C64 than the NES. Yes, many games have aged terribly, but there are definite classics that are as playable now as they ever were (Paradroid, Elite, Maniac Mansion, Creatures). In fact, many of them will no doubt be more playable with a d-pad rather than a joystick, and the availability of multiple buttons, rather than a keyboard and a single fire button.

When GoldenEye hits XBLA, it will have improved visuals, and added things such as online multiplayer.

What the hell is the point of old games with new features? I want new games with new features! The VC preserves the titles of the past as they were. That allows new gamers to understand what games were like in the past, and allows old gits like me to indulge in a bit of nostalgia.

The fact they're adding more systems to the list is great, but I don't see how you guys can find Oni and Grumbler's comments objectionable. It is scandalous to charge 500 points for these. Flash-based emulations are but a click away. I've got Pacman as a widget on my Mac.

100 points would be a sensible amount. Not as sensible as 50, but at least you could see they were making an effort.

There certainly is a pricing issue on VC. How can they charge 500 points for both Super Mario 3 and Donkey Kong? There's a distinct change in NES games from the pre- to post-Famicom Disk System era. That should be reflected in the prices.

Same is true of C64 games. Early games are very simple. Later ones are equivalent to many mid period NES games.

Late NES: 500 is fine
Mid NES: 300 perhaps
Early NES: 100-200

Early C64 100-200
Late C64 300

Oni-Ninja said:

jb said:
500 points isn't *too* bad for a few potential winners in the C64 library, compared to the more expensive later-generation prices. I do agree though that it is pretty high still, maybe in time they'd consider dropping it slightly. (e.g. 300 - NES, 500-SNES/GEN, 800-N64).

I disagree completely. I think it's an absolute fucking rip-off. Don't forget, most C64 games are utterly unplayable, now. But beyond that, the VC's prices across the board are totally unacceptable. An N64 ROM on VC costs around �8, yeah? That's un unchanged ROM, just dumped on VC. No effort, no development, nothing.

When GoldenEye hits XBLA, it will have improved visuals, and added things such as online multiplayer, and it will go for as much or even less than the hilarious �8 Nintendo charge for old N64 ROMs which they just dump on their servers. Not to mention all the licensing issues. I doubt MS or Rare will make that much from GE on XBLA. The Virtual Console is an absolute con. You are being conned.

*sigh*

For a start it's been mentioned several times before Nintendo do put in changes to games, mostly N64 titles.

You can't base pricing on percieved quality either (not saying all C64 games are good, but you can't someone to mark something down just because it's apparently shit, kinda the same as with everything else in the world and it's a bit of an insult to the companies you're trying to get on board).

Also, with the point of new features etc, go to wiiware (I think there's already one or two older games that are coming out on it that are updates, although they're puzzle games). If it's new features you want, VC isn't the place, nor is it the point of VC.

Just talking about N64 exclusively: Looking around on Ebay, quite a few N64 games are about �2 - 4 mark, with rarer or better ones getting slightly higher prices (this is barring special 4 games together etc, just games purely sold on their own). �8 is about double that, yes - but then Ebay is second hand - all profit goes to the seller, not shared out between several companies. Then of course they didn't have to sort out legal issues, possible adaption issues to get the game to run properly on the emulater and then, when speaking of N64 games in Europe, certain changes or improvements for full resolution or 60HZ, or both. Any argument of packaging is nearly mute as that didn't cost the seller anything either (apart from heftier P+P, often jacked up to make more money over the original price than actual cost of P+P).

�8 suddenly doesn't sound so bad - it could probably do with being �5 and some games are put up too high simply for their status (although Zelda: OOT comes about the same, maybe a little less than usual on Ebay). Yes, XBLA has certain upgraded games for cheaper, but then that's up to them and for whatever reasons (probably stricter pricing policy from MS seeing Nitendo's lax approach regarding this and also Wiiware).

( Edited 21.02.2008 17:58 by RyanT )

Since when was goldeneye going to XBLA? When was this announced?

Anyway. it's good to see that another libarary of games are coming to the VC although, they really should be cheap.

Who knows, next we'll be getting Atari 2600 games for 50 points each(i think thats still over charging)

I don't think that the prices are too steep.

Although with that being said I have about 2400 Wii Points loaded onto my Wii and I have only downloaded Super Mario Brothers, Warios Woods, and Bomberman '93.

I am not really into the nostalgia thing. Bring on the new apps!

Dr_R said:
What the hell is the point of old games with new features? I want new games with new features! The VC preserves the titles of the past as they were. That allows new gamers to understand what games were like in the past, and allows old gits like me to indulge in a bit of nostalgia.

Lol what a crock of shit. Are you saying that you wouldn't rather play this than the original N64 version? A) It's exactly the same, just with slightly updated character models, and obviously updated textures. B) I cannot believe that you wouldn't appreciate GoldenEye with an online mode! It's the stuff dreams are made of! Oh, and it runs at a constant 60fps. Other than that, it is a port, not a remake, so will play the same.

If I want to see GE in it's original state, I'll just bung it in my N64, or emulate it on my PC. No way I'm I going to give Nintendo �8 of my hard-earned dosh for just sticking the old ROM up there. So while the XBLA offering gives you true value for money, the VC offering is a total scam.

( Edited 21.02.2008 20:17 by Oni-Ninja )

How comes people assign timeless value to films and tv shows but not games?
We dont expect films from ten years ago to be 50p do we?

But films do come down in price. And also, it's worth noting that you're not comparing like for like, as we still buy films on DVDs etc, whilst what we're talking about here is digital distribution. What Nintendo does is basically just whack the old ROMs up on a surver, and charge you way more than they could for them.