Cubed3 Feature | Did Nintendo Impress or Disappoint at E3 with Wii U?

By Jorge Ba-oh 12.06.2012 23

It's been a long week at this year's E3 Expo. Nintendo finally drew the curtain on the launch look and feel for the Wii U, demoed the likes of New Super Mario Bros and Pikmin 3, plus a sample of 3DS delights. Just how did the company impress before, during and after the annual E3 presentation?

The Cubed3 Team share thoughts on how Nintendo did this year, plus expectations and desires for the future of Wii U and 3DS.

Jorge Ba-oh, Editor/Founder

Just over a week ago I sat in my pyjamas eagerly awaiting Satoru Iwata, President of Nintendo, to appear in my living room to address me, and the world, with his Nintendo goodies. My body was ready and more than willing. The Queen's Jubilee, as brilliant as it was, succumbed to an even greater event: E3 2012.

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The show as a whole was a success in a lot of ways, but almost equally a let down in others. We found out about the Nintendo Wii U at long last, the exact retail look and feel about the GamePad and the new Wii U Pro Controller. Both look gorgeous; particularly in the flesh, sturdy, well contoured and the GamePad in particular, improved from the last E3 showing. It shows Nintendo have listened to feedback from developers, producing a refined tablet controller and a more conventional alternative too. Let's hope Nintendo decide to include the Pro controller in the standard Wii U package too.

Then came the excruciating wait till showtime. I came away with bitter, anticlimactic disappointment, sinking into my seat after pounding Twitter with updates. Now the dust has settled, in retrospect the show was a good one - Nintendo showed a fair few titles in development, some new, others improved ports of existing third party efforts, covering an even number of bases from casual to hardcore. Pikmin 3 lead proceedings with a sublime world modelled at last in glorious high definition; a moment that Nintendo fans had only dreamt of until this point. Wii games, especially the likes of Super Mario Galaxy and The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - are gorgeous in standard definition and that bit more special when upscaled, so there had been a fair bit of excitement going into the show. Batman Arkham City, though released last year, held up well, demonstrating new tactics on the tablet controller and visually looking that slight bit more detailed. Rayman Legends and Nintendo's visual tweaks to New Super Mario Bros U demonstrated how sublime 2D looks in high definition. Arguably Legends is the more interesting of the pair visually, but certainly two great additions to the Wii U launch catalogue.

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Third party efforts offer a broad range of titles - though certain key players like EA Sports and Activision were missing from the mix, the selection did leave a sense of deja-vu. Enhanced ports came for Wii U, but aside from Ubisoft's new Zombie U and Lego City Stories, nothing truly new was shown.

What impressed me though was how incredibly detailed and responsive the screen looks. Stage demonstrations from Nintendo and Ubisoft showed just how immediate every swipe, poke and press is, and it's only just the beginning. The Wii U a console built from the ground up that brings the very best of the DS/3DS mechanics to the big screen.


 

Miiverse is an interesting aspect of the Wii U's design and a positive step for Nintendo to embrace social on a worldwide level. We've seen glimpses of Nintendo weaving online play, leaderboards and chat but it's been bolted on and game-specific. With the new setup, it's system wide and accessible - it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Censorship and messaging delay has been a hot topic this week, so it would be interesting to see how a once reserved Nintendo irons out inevitable trolling.

Nintendo's performance at E3 was left with a bit of a so-so reception; fans just wanted a slice - even ten seconds - of 3D Mario, Metroid, Star Fox and the like. The reaction from fans and press for the lack of first party reveals goes to show how much desire and love there is for the House of Mario, and only makes every future Nintendo conference that bit more exciting.

What Nintendo did leave was potential. The Wii U is a solid piece of kit that makes us itch for news on more games to play on it. How developers and Nintendo have utitlised the GamePad so far is exciting, touches of brilliance in dynamic maps, inventory, touch control and gyro, but there are still questions left to be answered: battery life, performance and most importantly games. The Wii U needs a strong catalogue to survive in this ever-changing environment, and it's shaping up positively so far - Santa and his elves will be exceptionally busy this winter.

Adam Riley, Operations Director

Nintendo simply cannot win in some people's eyes. When it comes out with a powerful piece of hardware, it gets criticised for using proprietary mini DVD discs. When it upscales said model slightly, adopts a normal DVD approach it gets knocked for not using Blu-Ray or incorporating High Definition capabilities, instead sticking with older technology, with many overlooking the advancements brought about by motion controls. The same definitely goes for its appearances at the annual Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3). One year the crowd is cheering and screaming for the likes of big reveals such as The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword or Golden Sun: Dark Dawn and then both go on to sell far below expectations. What next? Well, let us look at this year. Nintendo attempted to target both audiences, bringing "engrossing game experiences for the hardest of the core to the newest of the newbies," as Reggie so expertly, and aptly, put it. The reaction? Everyone seems to be slating the company that has not only the biggest selling portable system on the market, but also the largest userbase in the world in terms of home console as well. Quelle surprise…

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What has Nintendo got, though, that justifies praise? Well, there is the game that has been worked on since the days of the GameCube, Pikmin 3, the progression of what was initially looking like a highly entertaining take on the real-time strategy genre. This has to be classed as one of the biggest reveals Nintendo had, in all honesty, because it had been touched upon by creator Shigeru Miyamoto countless times over what is nearly a decade since the second release blew the original to pieces with its stunning depth and highly addictive gameplay that made the first Pikmin appear to be nothing more than a mere concept demo. The fine tuning that Nintendo's legend has been giving Pikmin 3 may not have come across during the on-stage presentation, but all signs are already pointing to this being one of Nintendo's deepest experiences yet.

The Wii U and accompanying GamePad had a lot of prove in general, and some Western developers have approached Nintendo with the same old apathy that is growing increasingly tiring. Listening to the hero of yesteryear, John Romero, spouting off about how his instincts were perfectly right when it came to how the Wii console and World of Warcraft would explode in terms of popularity, yet "the fact that I don't really care about the Wii U or even want to find out more about it says something" is downright ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but blasé comments of such an arrogant nature are misplaced. Perhaps Wii U will prove to be too confusing for gamers who are unsure whether to watch the action on the TV or pay attention to the extra details shown on the GamePad. However, on the flipside, there is also the strong potential of the GamePad's HD touch-screen working as a perfect extension to the standard control mechanisms, as shown off in all manner of trailers unveiled after the main E3 event.

Nintendo may not have everyone full convinced about the Wii U at this very moment, but anyone that tries to write off the Japanese giant would be extremely foolish.

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Ross Marrs, Podcast Editor

My expectations going into Tuesday's Nintendo Press Conference were fairly high, especially after seeing such fantastic ideas from the company in Nintendo's pre-E3 Direct video, featuring the banana wielding Satoru Iwata. Nintendo showed off the fundamentals of their new online service for the Wii U, called Miiverse (I preferred Mii Wara Wara name, personally). The idea is fantastic and brings social aspects into online gaming far more than ever before, allowing Wii U owners to post about specific games and get help on certain parts. The Direct video also showed Non-Specific Action Figure, a potential new character for Nintendo and one I can see fitting straight into the next Super Smash Bros. I absolutely love him! Nintendo also showed a very nice looking Pro Controller, which looks to be very comfortable and reminds me a little of the SEGA Mega Drive controller, only with handles.

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After wrapping up the Nintendo Direct video, all eyes were on Ubisoft's conference. For me, Ubisoft had one of the best moments at E3 this year, with the amazing looking Rayman Legends, which is easily one of the most anticipated games for 2012. From what I could tell, the controls kept up with the fast pace action and the idea of using the Wii U Gamepad as a unique experience in multiplayer was, well, unique. Another highlight was the Platforming Hero level, a Ubsioft representative suggested we turn up the volume and out came some fantastic compositions. The stage was brilliantly designed to be played in time with it too, akin to a rhythm platformer. Ubisoft also showed Zombie U as their other main title, which was the reinvented product of Killer Freaks from Outer Space. Unfortunately, it looks rather generic and didn't interest me; I much preferred the concept of the original. That said though, Ubisoft delivered on the third party support and other big titles such as Assassins Creed III.

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Excitement roared by Tuesday, particularly because I knew Pikmin 3 would be shown, a moment I had been waiting for, for a number of years now. I'm glad the team chose to move the project over to the Wii U. When Miyamoto-san walked upon the stage after a cute introduction featuring the Pikmin themselves, I was so giddy with excitement. This was by far the highlight of the show for me, but also expected. Nintendo also highlighted that they were focusing a lot more on that all-important third party support by showing big names, such as Batman Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Assassin Creed III, Scribblenauts and LEGO City Stories Undercover, two of those exclusive to Nintendo's consoles.
More "casual" experiences were shown, such as Nintendo Land, a minigame collection, but one with great visual flair. This highlighted more unique ways the controller can be used and Reggie referred to the game as the Wii U's Wii Sports, which could mean it may be packaged with the console at launch (fingers crossed!). It's not my most anticipated game, but it's by far the best looking Nintendo minigame collections they've created and one I certainly would love to play.

New Super Mario Bros U was also shown to a great degree and I have to say, it does look improved. Some of the new hand painted backgrounds looks gorgeous too and even the sprites, though retaining the same style as before, look more refined with a nice clean look to them. The Miiverse messaging system was also shown full integrated, making it convenient for players to interact with certain titles.

Overall, Nintendo had a fantastic conference and presence in general. They showed a diverse launch window line-up for the Wii U and kept it very entertaining and enjoyable for the fans. There's no doubt that Nintendo are a company about fun and they showed at that at this years E3 with Reggie, Iwata and Miyamoto all giving us many charming and darn right random moments. Reggie pulled out his famous lines and Iwata loves to hold bananas. The crowds when nuts for it and that's what gaming should be about, fun. Great job Nintendo and Non Specific Acton Figure, I salute you!

Az Elias, Previews Editor

I was really looking forward to Nintendo's showing at E3 this year, and while I did initially end up very underwhelmed, I still remain optimistic about the future. There was a good range of different types of games displayed at the event, catering to all types of gamers, and for that, Nintendo must be applauded. But unfortunately, there wasn't anything shown that had me screaming at myself to get the Wii U on day one. It's great that a Nintendo home console is now getting massive third party games like Mass Effect 3 and Batman: Arkham City, but I could pick these up for less right now for my PlayStation 3.

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Nintendo's killer first party title, Pikmin 3, looks lovely and is sure to be a great game, and Ubisoft's Rayman Legends is definitely the third party exclusive I'm most looking forward to, but they're not games I'd want to buy the console for right away, unlike a Metroid or F-Zero would be. I was very surprised that Nintendo didn't show at least one of their key IPs other than the obvious and expected Pikmin and Super Mario Bros, just to get fans a little more interested in what's around the corner. Of course, I know the Nintendo franchises I care most for will come eventually; it just means it'll be a longer wait before I buy the Wii U.


 

The Wii U GamePad itself is looking a lot better after its redesign, and I'm anticipating some of the unique gameplay experiences developers can come up with utilising its touch screen. The more traditional Wii U Pro Controller seems like it will be a much comfier and lighter alternative to the GamePad for multiplatform games, too.

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It looks as if Nintendo is finally diving into the online world properly now - something I have been waiting for for years. The way Miiverse will allow players to communicate with each other through the console and mobile phones is most welcomed. Instantaneous video chat with friends through the GamePad is a great addition, especially to be able to do so mid-game, judging by what we've seen. Leaving messages at certain points in games for other players to see when they reach the same stage is a neat concept, with the service seemingly giving single-player games an 'always online' aspect, as well. So long as there is voice chat and a robust online offering for managing friends and playing drop in/drop out races in F-Zero and Mario Kart, I'll be happy.

I've come to learn to always expect the unexpected with Nintendo over the years. While their consoles might not always reach the same levels of horsepower and get the same great third party games as their competitors, what I am guaranteed with Nintendo is something different, something unique, something fun. This is why I am optimistic. Nintendo always give me a reason to buy their consoles. It might not be right away, but once their games start coming out, I'm always there sooner or later. As with most new systems, the first few months can be rather bland affairs, and while I appreciate that there is a lot to cater to most types of gamers, there isn't much to entice me during the launch period. You can bet your life that once Nintendo's big hitters start to arrive, though, I'll be there with the rest of you. Here's to a long and successful life for Nintendo's Wii U.

Stuart Lawrence, Character Profiles Editor

Going into E3, I was pretty confident Nintendo was going to show up somewhat all guns blazing. While revising for exams, I couldn't help but go onto speculation threads about the show, and I got myself excited for the reveal of Nintendo's new console. Rumours were flying here there and everywhere, and while I could pretty much debunk them myself, just out of common sense, I couldn't help but wonder what games would be shown, and how they would look.

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Then Nintendo Direct happened, showing the new Gamepad and features on MiiVerse for the very first time. I thought it was interesting how Nintendo have changed the Gamepad's Analogue Sliders to sticks, fully clickable as well. They've also changed the size and shape of the controller, as well as the button placement, seemingly to accommodate for the change, with ergonomics being the main factor. To me, it looks good, especially in black; in fact, I really want to get the black version of the Wii U, simply because it looks nicer. The screen looks like it'll be intuitive to use as well, and although people worry about the size of the controller, and even though I haven't yet played it myself, I think that it should be comfortable enough to use. The name "Game Pad" stands out as well. Nintendo also revealed the Wii U Pro controller, which looks like it'll be nice to use for those wanting a smaller controller.

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The Wii U press conference opening with Miyamoto being followed by Pikmin was just brilliant, and Pikmin 3 looked sublime, even nicer in some off screen game footage. I could imagine it being the best looking title at launch for the console, and I loved Pikmin for the GameCube. The rest of the conference at first was pretty underwhelming. Reggie came on with a great one liner saying he felt like a purple Pikmin, which I think we can all imagine, and then he said that the conference was all about the games, and that there would be 23 of them in it.

Highlights include Rayman Legends, Scribblenauts Unlimited and the Lego City game trailer, which gave a few funny references to movies, and from the looks of things, will be a great game. Then there was a crazy Just Dance 4 moment, which seems to have occurred quite a lot in E3 conferences this year, with dancers, and singers coming up on stage to show the game off, it wasn't a highlight, just something to point out. Zombie Reggie was another funny moment, and then came NintendoLand.

When I heard the word NintendoLand, it conjured up the thought of Nintendo worlds brought into one game, an adventure version of Super Smash Bros. I was wrong, as it turned out to be the Wii U's version of Wii Sports. NintendoLand introduces people to the Wii U's gamepad, and if you're a newcomer to gaming, it'll introduce you to 12 of Nintendo's biggest franchises, including Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong, F-Zero, The Legend of Zelda and many others. I'm hoping this is a nod to future games on the system, since some like F-Zero, haven't seen the light of day in years.


 

Nintendo's conference was solid, it wasn't exactly thrilling to watch, but at the end of the day, it didn't need to be. Nintendo had announced 23 games for the Wii U, with many probably still to come in future conferences by other developers and publishers, there had also been games already announced for the system that weren't at E3 at all. E3 is more about the full scope of entertainment and Nintendo showed most of what can accommodate it with the Wii U. Some Nintendo fans and other gamers alike might be disappointed, but what's done is done and we can only look forward to see what Nintendo does with its little black or white box.

Calum Peak, Alternative Content Editor

If I'm honest, I almost kinda forgot this years E3. Usually I'm vigilant with everything that is going on and shocked myself when I almost missed Microsoft's conference. It was a poor performance so I shouldn't have bothered in the first place. Sony did a little better showcasing some tasty new IP's with a few surprises into the mix, they lost their way when they tried to push Playstation Move onto the audience; much the way that Microsoft does. So again, mediocre performance. This riled my up for Nintendo's briefing and had me eager to see what they would unleash.

With a new console no less than six months away, I was salivating with the potential that such a platform could open up. New platforms mean new games and IP's. Of course, we all wanted to see the return of some of our favorite franchises that have been much ignored by Nintendo on the Wii; Star Fox and F-Zero among them. Whilst I didn't exactly expect Nintendo to show them, I felt they would at least show some of their staples that would benefit from having a HD platform. Namely, a Super Mario 3D platformer or racer and maybe something from everyone's favorite heroine in Metroid (though without the team Ninja interference). So I felt the familiar anticipation building as the auditorium filled.

How wrong and disappointed I was.

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Don't get me wrong, they started off amazing well. Pikmin 3 was a godsend. Nintendo were on the right track. After being announced three or four years ago it looked perfect. The graphics were smooth and astounding to behold and the Pikmin remained all their cuteness. It was amazing to behold Nintendo fully realising the potential of a HD console with such micro-detail in those little critters. Both control schemes look like they worked well adding to the depth of strategy that you could employ, allowing the player to micro-manage on the fly a lot easier than the Gamecube controller ever did. Being able to fly round the map and simultaneously adjust what Pikmin were doing is definitely a step in the right direction. For me however the rest of the conference may of stopped still.

Its brilliant to see Nintendo working 'properly' with third parties after alienating them so last generation, but it seems too little too late almost and what they showcased was not impressive in the slightest to me, maybe if you only had a Wii this generation. If you had a competitor console or a semi decent PC, you could pretty much glaze over the next half of the conference. Ubisoft seem to be knee deep in Wii U games as expected from them with each Nintendo launch, with a decent offering of Rayman Legends and Zombie U which showed what it could really do. Some of my concerns were raised when they didn't show much more than that, I'm scared that they will revert to doing cheap and easy 'shovel ware' that they did on the Wii and DS. Furthermore, is that they didn't show off any of the titles that were shown off elsewhere such as Far Cry 3 which would be brilliant for pushing the Wii U out the gates, or Assassins Creed III. With only Six months to go, it would of been nice to see a little code and some implementations of the controller but alas, nothing. It makes me concerned that these titles may be delayed until after the Wii U has launched.

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Other offerings such as Batman made me a cringe a little. Far too much time was given to it than was necessary, pushing how much the controller added to the game and how 'new' a skin was on a character. It will be a year old when it hits, and titles like that will not sell the Wii U to the 'hardcore audience' as they can stick with their five year old consoles that appear to have more potential this holiday season for third parties than the Wii U will at launch. This opened up another fear, that Nintendo themselves don't really seem to know what the controller is and how it will improve gameplay. We were told consistently throughout that it makes 'gameplay better' and 'more immersive' but all I saw were complex menu systems in Batman that had you scrolling through items in battle - and if anyone has played it knows that there just isn't time for that. For me that sort of thing breaks the immersion, having to look away from the screen. I wasn't particularly impressed with the asynchronous gameplay either, it seems considerably more isolating to one player whilst the other four have fun around you, didn't quite sit well.

Again, Nintendo not choosing to showcase the hardware or the price was another wrong move in my eyes to settle all doubt that this was, in fact, a separate device from the Wii. I thought they would of learnt their lesson from the 3DS - which suffered from brand differentiation issues when it launched due to the similarity of the names, Unfortunately not. If Nintendo was to pull this off, they needed to please their fans with a multitude of games. They needed to show off to their stockholders that this had the longevity and the capacity to last well for years to come with showcases of games that were running better than their competitions counterparts.


 

Nintendo's stock dropped, in many peoples eyes Pikmin 3 just wasn't enough and the entire conference left a sour taste, much like many other conferences over the course of the three days. I'm not saying the others were perfect - they were far from it - but Nintendo needed not just big guns, but some form of God ray here.

Don't even get me started on NintendoLand and the amount of Mario Bros games they have released over the last few years. After a glazing over the 3DS this year, I am really worried about both of their consoles.

It feels like I am loosing a piece of my childhood, one minigame at a time. That makes me one sad man.

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I'm excited for the Wii U but I think Nintendo's performance overall was pretty poor. They didn't really show anything we didn't already know about except Nintendo Land which I couldn't care less about, nor did they give any new information in general. Besides that, the conferences were boring. I didn't really need to see a guy play Nintendo Land for twenty minutes. I really want Paper Mario but I didn't need a 20-minute demo of that either.

E3 was their first chance to get people really excited about this and instead they showed us games we could buy for other systems right now. Hopefully they'll pull out all the stops for TGS.

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justonesp00lturn said:
I'm excited for the Wii U but I think Nintendo's performance overall was pretty poor. They didn't really show anything we didn't already know about except Nintendo Land which I couldn't care less about, nor did they give any new information in general. Besides that, the conferences were boring. I didn't really need to see a guy play Nintendo Land for twenty minutes. I really want Paper Mario but I didn't need a 20-minute demo of that either.

E3 was their first chance to get people really excited about this and instead they showed us games we could buy for other systems right now. Hopefully they'll pull out all the stops for TGS.

Strategy my friend. No good murder mystery begins with the case being solved does it(terrible I know)? Its all about pacing really. They have to get the point across that this is a new platform and is different than Wii.

Nintendo screws a lot of things up. But one thing they know for sure is that people are fucking DUMB. They MUST flash "NEW!! NEW!!" everywhere for a good while for those idiots who want the WiiU's library and think "can't I just play them on my Wii?".

Bottom line: get the point across, show few first party(we all know they're coming) and convince those on the fence that third parties are there.

I watched the e3 conference again and again and for some reason, there was nothing spectacular from Nintendo or even from the third party showing. No new IP's from first party, are we really going to just fork out for games we played on the previous console in HD? whats the point. I'm not really impressed with the console can do in terms of graphical power as we have seen that from PS3 and Xbox 360 for the past 7 years and its only taking Nintendo till now to reach that level, only difference that separates the WiiU from the other consoles is the tablet gamepad. What I did notice was Nintendo were planning ahead, they wanted to incorporate Miiverse on consoles after WiiU, I really believe this console will make or break Nintendo's future in the home console market. From E3 2011 to E3 2012, there hasn't been a much great deal of what we don't already know. No release date, no retail price, All of that information should have been stated at the conference, cut the bullshit and get right down to business.

AdamC3 (guest) 12.06.2012#4

After the UK's adverts stating "This is not DS, it's 3DS!" I fully expect the same to be required for Wii U. I've already had colleagues at work looking confused about the name...and when I mention the GamePad? Haha, yeah, nobody is sold on the idea. Most say it will detract from the experience because at least when going into menus normally it's keeping your focus on the TV. They don't like the idea of looking away constantly.

AdamC3 (guest) said:
After the UK's adverts stating "This is not DS, it's 3DS!" I fully expect the same to be required for Wii U. I've already had colleagues at work looking confused about the name...and when I mention the GamePad? Haha, yeah, nobody is sold on the idea. Most say it will detract from the experience because at least when going into menus normally it's keeping your focus on the TV. They don't like the idea of looking away constantly.


Nintendo had CNN thinking it was a new controller for Wii.

Adam Riley seems as off base as nintendo. Being very selective at how it looks at the criticism levelled at a company so it can throw it hands up and scream 'your never satisfied'

Motion controls are very innovative but in 2006 the tech was so crude that wii sports was at far as you could go. THe pointer controls were great but with no HD graphics every one had to hire different teams to rework their IPs for their FPS. Then they had to decide what to chop and what to keep.

Had a game like zelda existed closer to 07/08 we might have seen better sales. In the end it was a fantastic game that finally showed everyone just what motion could offer for core gamers at a period when the wii was dying and a lot of people connected motion with crap.

Fast forward this year and there is a lot of deja vu floating around. We have pikmin but the rest of first party dev on show is using mini games to show of the controller. (pikmin doesnt even need the tablet) Third party efforts arent just ports (I would love bioshock infinity on wii U) they are games almost a year old.

God knows how the graphics situation will play out this time. With Square and gears showing of their new engines waiting for the new consoles are we going to see third party support dissipate all over again. THe fact that nintendo refuses to clarify whats under the hood feels me with no confidence.

3DS: Bad launch line-up, Nintendo kept teasing and showing games that wouldn't come out for a long time...
------> WHY NO LAUNCH GAMES????
------> WHERE ARE NEW GAMES WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW ABOUT????

Wii U: Diverse and surprisingly good launch line-up with something from just about every genre, Nintendo decided not to tease far away games this time to keep some surprises...
------> WHY AREN'T U SHOWING FUTURE GAMES, NINTENDO????

( Edited 12.06.2012 13:34 by SirLink )

Well, I missed all the E3 festivities entirely. I've watched a couple summary videos and looked at a couple articles. Nothing that I saw impressed me at all. I saw a hilarious video of the new Tomb Raider. It had the Uncharted theme playing over it, and I thought it was Uncharted 4 for a minute. Then I realized it wasn't.

Almost everything else seemed to follow a formula of; Cover mechanic, stealth mechanic, and most importantly of all - *camera zooms in, possibly a tad of slow motion - the close-up brutal execution of an enemy mechanic. I didn't think I'd ever get tired of violence, but it's starting to all seem the same. I like my sickening violence to be sickening, not 'par for the course'.

I don't want to get hate mail for this, but the one basic thing I was looking for in Nintendo was to show that the Wii U is powerful. What I saw were 360/PS3 level visuals. Now, maybe I'd expect that from ports of PS3/360 games, but the story didn't seem to change when I saw other Wii U stuff.

It appears that what we have in the Wii U is, once again, current (soon-to-be-last) generation hardware with some innovative features built around it. Innovation is always good. Premiering a brand new console in 2012 with 2005-level hardware is somewhat not good to a "core gamer". Many will see little to no point in trading in their 360s or PS3s for Nintendo's new machine, I feel.

Hopefully it's just a rocky start, and maybe the hardware is mind-bendingly complex and devs are just having a rough time with it? Seems unlikely given Nintendo's penchant for simple hardware since the GC.

In short, I saw nothing from Nintendo or anyone else that particularly interested me.

I thought the press conference was a bit of a damp squib. It wasn't a bad press conference, but it failed to excite!

They showed third party titles which were mainly ports (understandable when it's a new unproven console), but the fact they were mainly sequels to games that have never graced a Nintendo console before was a bit of a blow. Not to mention that by the time they come out you'll be able to get them for a budget price on the other consoles (which will no doubt affect how well they do on WiiU, re-starting the whole cycle of "hard core games don't sell on Nintendo").

Another major problem I had with the conference was the fact that they had no big first party games. Yeah they had Mario, but it was another one of the factory line look-a-like side scrolling Mario games Nintendo have been producing lately. While they are still good games, they aren't very exciting. They also had Pikmin, but while (again) the Pikmin games are good games, they are a niche and not a system seller by any means. Nintendo land looks ok, but feels like a kick in the face to me. "Your not getting all these great Nintendo franchises, but we'll let you play little bits of them just to rub your face in the fact you haven't got what you want".

While the WiiU itself is great and I'm excited for it, it doesn't garner the same amount of enthusiasm now because it was shown last year and the competition have had time to steal some of that thunder by anouncing their own versions of game pad functionality (Vita connectivity & Smart glass).

Nintendo really needed to anounce a big name game, like Zelda, "proper" Mario game, Metroid, Starfox or even F-Zero. Even if it was just a couple of tantalizing screen shots! It would have created an excitement. A new console with a killer new, must have first party game.

Their press conference wasn't bad. It was just a little dull.

( Edited 13.06.2012 10:34 by Trepe )

I thought the press conference was a bit of a damp squid.

You mean a damp squib. Smilie

Other than that, I agree.

Calum Peak: you mean "it may have", "it would have" etc. Instead of "it may of"...

Canyarion said:
Calum Peak: you mean "it may have", "it would have" etc. Instead of "it may of"...

"It may of" is an acceptable turn of phrase in the UK, as it stems from an abbreviation of "It may have", which is spoken "It may 'ave" which slowly got distorted into "It may of".

Smarter every day, bro!

If only Nintendo's conference could be corrected like everyone in this thread is doing to each others' posts.

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Jay (guest) 12.06.2012#14

They show'd nothing of interest, the only thing to be happy about is nintendo are allowing you to transfer wiiware/vc titles.

-Zombi U is apparently a mediocre fps with no online.
-Pikmin 3 is good but it's not exactly a heavy hitter.
-No one is gonna buy mass effect 3/arkham city on Wii U, publishers will then use that as an excuse not to produce games for it.
-They didn't show any Aliens Colonial Marines which was the one 3rd party title I was interested in.
-Nintendo managed to out do microsoft as worst of E3 and microsoft set the bar low, nintendo tripped and fell under it.

Darkflame (guest) 12.06.2012#15

Massive dissapointment gamewise, especially first party.

Pikmin3 seemed like it would kick off a bunch of greatness, it didnt. I liked many WiiU features, but without a strong lineup of games its nothing.

Even on the 3DS - nothing we didnt know of already.

WHERES THE GAMES???

Nintendo's E3 2006 press conference was amazing. It hit the ball rolling for Wii. We got console info, 'core' titles from huge franchises (3D Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to name a few). The other companies had a sort of lack-luster showing as well (maybe not Sony, their's was impressive), but Nintendo really should have hit it out of the park. But they completely dropped the ball. It's ALMOST 2008 all over again!

The only games I'm interested in is ACIII, New Super Mario Bros 2, Mario Bros U, Kingdom Hearts, and Fire Emblem.

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Martin_ said:
Canyarion said:
Calum Peak: you mean "it may have", "it would have" etc. Instead of "it may of"...

"It may of" is an acceptable turn of phrase in the UK, as it stems from an abbreviation of "It may have", which is spoken "It may 'ave" which slowly got distorted into "It may of".

Smarter every day, bro!


It's still technically incorrect though. "It may 'ave" is fine, but you can't just change that to a completely different word just because it sounds similar. On the other hand I'm a total hypocrite because I sometimes get this wrong, and I don't really want to start a debate on whether something is still incorrect even if they majority of people say it.

Canyarion said:
Calum Peak: you mean "it may have", "it would have" etc. Instead of "it may of"...

Apologies. I do this a lot in general. I had very little time to write and did it on the site and not in word. I write how I think and speak - I still haven't learnt my lesson after a uni degree! It's what happens when you live in England and enter colloquialisms unlike being taught in another country, your English is likely to be better than mine. You may of been taught better. Who knows.

Anyway, my view still stands as written above. As cynical as it may be.



( Edited 12.06.2012 19:35 by Echoes221 )

Martin_ said:
Almost everything else seemed to follow a formula of; Cover mechanic, stealth mechanic, and most importantly of all - *camera zooms in, possibly a tad of slow motion - the close-up brutal execution of an enemy mechanic.

Pikmin 3 needs this. If you brutally kill a Pikmin, would blood go everywhere or it would be something more like tree sap?

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"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18

Wii U: Diverse and surprisingly good launch line-up with something from just about every genre, Nintendo decided not to tease far away games this time to keep some surprises...
------> WHY AREN'T U SHOWING FUTURE GAMES, NINTENDO????

Surprisingly good launch lineup? The only thing that truly looked exceptional was Pikmin 3 -- and that won't even be there at launch.

I really disagree with the notion that Nintendo fans are impossible to please. That's seems like a cop out for what was an awful conference. Whenever Nintendo brings the games, fans are generally at least semi-satisfied. I've really enjoyed the years where Nintendo showed us new stuff -- the conference Adam mentions where the likes of Skyward Sword and Golden Sun were shown off, along with many others, are bright spots on Nintendo's record.

Nintendo fans may be hard to fully please, but this conference wasn't even close. This wasn't just a situation where fans wanted more. It's a situation where we wanted something. I don't think it's too much to ask for something more than 20 minute demonstrations of games that are already on store shelves.

In the end though, I do share some of Az' optimism. I really don't understand how anyone can excuse this E3. It was bad. But that doesn't mean the Wii U is doomed to suck. It's just clearly not going to have the strong software it needed to convince me to buy one in the first year.

I won't buy a Wii U at launch. I may not buy one for years, in fact. But Nintendo's fantastic AAA franchises will eventually arrive on the system. And I'll probably be there when they do.


( Edited 12.06.2012 20:12 by Jacob4000 )

Steelmullet (guest) 13.06.2012#21

I agree with Calum Peak. Nintendo rules, press conference was lame. I have lots of hope for Nintendo but to focus on stupid aspects of the controller, ie, Batman, was not interesting in the least. It came off as more desperate. Look, look, it's a new controller, look it's Batman, see? Third party support. Nah, focus on Ubisoft. At least they're taking a slight risk on the system.

I do think the system will be fantastic however. If Nintendo can market the Wii U to the casual crowd and make sure to inform them it's a NEW system, all will be well. In the sales department anyways. But that just means more awesome core Nintendo titles for us. And I do think Pikmin 3, ZombiU and Super Mario Bros U will be a fine launch line up for Nintendo fans.

Just tease a Super Smash Brothers in the next few months and watch the excitement boil. So, I have faith in Nintendo and their capabilities, but sometimes I think if the new controller was a bit contrived. Surely they can offer a morsel that truly blows us away with gaming, the way the Wiimote did when the Wii launched.

Also, one more thing. People seem to forget, namely Nintendo, that the Wii launched with a new Zelda game. It may have come out on the Gamecube too, but it was a real Zelda game. That's f'ing huge. Did they forget that or something? Just sayin'.

I think the system is great, but it was just a really poor showing game wise. Even if they'd just had screen shots of up and coming games it would have satisfied. Nintendo fans are used to waiting forever for the next great Nintendo franchise to be finished off to perfection.

To say Nintendo fans are hard to please is completely wrong and in fact I think the opposite is the case. You just have to look at the way they vehemently defend the greatness of Nintedo games.

We do expect high quality, but that's a given with Nintendo anyway!

Martin_ said:
Canyarion said:
Calum Peak: you mean "it may have", "it would have" etc. Instead of "it may of"...

"It may of" is an acceptable turn of phrase in the UK, as it stems from an abbreviation of "It may have", which is spoken "It may 'ave" which slowly got distorted into "It may of".

Smarter every day, bro!

No it isn't! It may be a colloquialism, buit it's not good grammar!

( Edited 13.06.2012 10:22 by Trepe )

Monkey D Super (guest) 13.06.2012#23

I always watch Nintendo's E3 coneferences with very low expections. Always go in expecting to be disappointed.
Beside Pikmin 3 and the Wii U port of Trine 2 none of the games surprised or excited me at all and those that did excite me a little bit were games I already knew of.

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