The Xbox/360/720 Topic

From the general consensus online, my friends, and c3, everyone's not impressed at all with the One. Like SuperLink said, graphics are not that revolutionary, especially when compared to PC's (who have been doing this for years now). Tech is cool I guess, but pretty unnecessary. The main drawback, I think, is how Microsoft is handling this. Always on functionality, forced paywall for pre-owned games, and a confusing (at least to the general market) handle on backwards compatibility. Sooooooooooooooo stupid.

The bad news keeps coming (the ride never ends)

Xbox Live TV will only be in US at launch, and will require a separately sold device

I thought the "One" aspect was supposed to mean it was all built into the console?

EDIT: With all the Madden, TV only in US, and the kind of games shown so far, it kinda seems like they only want it to sell in the States? Other places exist y'know MS.

EDIT 2: It's pretty big;

SuperLink said:
Xbox Live TV will only be in US at launch, and will require a separately sold device
I thought the "One" aspect was supposed to mean it was all built into the console?

If true, then XboxOne isn't so "Simple. Instant. Complete." or  "the all-in-one entertainment system"

This is looking very much better for Nintendo - it sounds like a really convoluted setup despite the "One" nature of the system, and the need to have Kinect connected and the high price? Wow.  I don't think people will grab a £400 Xbox with slightly improved visuals with some tricky drawbacks. However, with Blu Ray and whatnot, it might be ideal for those wanting both media and gaming.

The initial FIFA, Madden etc just seems so boring and standard.

People keep going on about how One/PS4 will dominate the market and push Wii U aside, but at this rate the Wii U might just become the more affordable option.

I have a laptop, smart phone and TV box. Many people have a tablet too, and some have smart TVs. We are covered for TV, Skype and other multimedia. I don't want another means to control all of this, I want something to play games on. I couldn't care less about live footage from the NFL, if I have my console turned on, I want to be playing games.

 I wish I had played some games instead of watching that conference.

Call of Duty, Halo and sports are the only things the 16-24 year old male demographics need. The feature they really need though is a crappy beer dispenser. Once they have that, I'm sold.

Just started watching the Xbox One presentation. I didn't think anything of the name Xbox One until I started hearing it. I'll get used to it over time, but every time I hear "starts with Xbox One" I, for a split second, think of the original Xbox.

I honestly don't know what to say... Seriously, I'm speechless.

I guess good luck to them.

Modplan Man said:
Call of Duty, Halo and sports are the only things the 16-24 year old male demographics need. The feature they really need though is a crappy beer dispenser. Once they have that, I'm sold.

LOL true - during the video above "TV TV TV" "SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS" I was expecting "BEER BEER BEER"

Okay..Was Bill Gates high of his ass when he came up with the name...I mean, really? The Xbox One? WE ALREADY HAVE AN XBOX ONE!!

Thought this was quite funny

Bad indie support, mixed reports and Microsoft falling silent on numerous subjects.. it's all very messy.

Even BBC is reporting the backlash; it's undeniable that MS messed up big time with this.
Never has a console reveal been met with so much (understandable) criticism, this is consumer-screwing on a pretty big level. I really hope MS changes a lot of these "features".

Don Mattrick just said something like;
"If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards"
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/05/22/microsoft-and-sony-diverge-on-gaming-cloud/?utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer94b3f

EDIT:
Xbox One specs may not be all that compared to PS4 or PCs;

I have always been an Xbox gamer, its been my only console since 2003 but i'm seriously questioning this new console.. SOO many restrictions  what are microsoft doing? Talk about power hungry.

Obviously it depends on games, but I might make the switch to playstation for this next gen. Guess E3 will be good to demo some games.

I'll just leave this here:

Gif speaks the truth, microsoft are very powerful hungry it seems here and it will work against them. Very disappointed.

This post from NeoGAF is pretty good,
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=58890845

It puts things into perspective, and talks about how we still know so little. It's better worded than anything I could have said, really.

I'm a bit anxious to be honest, I sincerely hope that other consoles don't follow suite, this seemingly draconian environment solicits a weird claustrophobic feeling, it isn't really how I want to enjoy games.. if that happens to all consoles, it's one of the things that could make me give up gaming for good.

For anyone who missed details on the second hand issue:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-21-phil-harrison-on-xbox-one-kinect-indie-games-and-red-rings

Suffice to say, the PR spin is that this is just like how you might normally lend your game to someone. The reality is, if you lend your game to someone for any prolonged period of time, they will be required to stay logged in to your account on their Xbox the entire time they have it, or you will have to give your account details. It isn't just a pain in the ass, it enourages people to jeapordise the security of their accounts to be able to do something as simple as play a friends or relatives copy of a game.

Microsoft is likely to be trying to do several things, mostly based around getting more money out of users by doing the following:

• Pushing publishers to tie games to online services ("the cloud" stuff they've been pushing) that will no doubt require an annual subscription to access at all, or to get the most out of their already $60/£50 games. Even better is you get planned obsolescence for free - just turn off the servers after 2 years and get people to buy this years version of X game series.

• "Regulate" the second hand market. Based on the details we have, the price of second hand games becomes controlled, whilst also requiring MIcrosoft and the publisher to get a cut. This also allows them to maintain first hand retail prices for much longer should they want to, if they'd need to reduce them at all.

• Introduce Sim City-like bs where claims of heavy computation being done via MS's cloud service are used to justify always online requirements for games that don't actually need it. No doubt the cloud stuff will largely turn out to be red herrings just as it did with Sim City.

• Bring user monitoring via Kinect to help with all this. See Microsof'ts patent for detecting whether there are too many people watching a film, though whether they'll have the balls to actually follow through will be interesting.

• Generally erode personal property and privacy rights, like routing around the right of first sale, because copyright is the most important thing in the universe. If I say the magic word "license", then fuck you, buddy.
  

New details have been released:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

So basically:

• The system will stop you playing games if you have not been connected for 24 hours or more. This is reduced to 1 hour if playing from someone elses console. How your primary console is specified is not clear. Do not own an Xbox 360, but I assume such a system doesn't exist there either.

• You can only give games to people who have been on your friends list (and continue to be) for at least 30 days. Whether you are allowed to do so is controlled by the publisher.

• Similarly, trade ins/second hand sales are controlled by publishers, and only at "participating retailers". No "platform fee". Publishers may choose to set a fee or other terms with said retailers.

• Loaning and renting will not be supported at launch

• The only nice sounding part is the claim of giving up to 10 family members access to your library. How family members are specified is not mentioned, and once again is at the discretion of publishers as to whether they allow it for x game.
  

Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you're not playing.

Nice assumption there Microsoft. Which is funny, considering they allow connection via mobile broadband, which is usually expensive, slow and capped.

( Edited 07.06.2013 02:22 by Modplan Man )

Journalists aren't happy, this list has been floating around GAF;

• BBC: Xbox One: Microsoft defends pre-owned games rules

• Blorge: Why gamers hate the Xbox One

• Complex: Microsoft Finally Reveals Xbox One Details, It's Mostly All Bad News

• Destructoid: Xbox One kills game ownership, here's what Xbox fans say

• Eurogamer: Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile

• Forbes Contributor: Microsoft Confirms Gamers' Fears Over Xbox One

• Forbes Contributor (2): Microsoft's Shortsighted Approach Might Have Already Killed Xbox One

• Forbes Contributor (3): The Xbox One Might Let Sony's PS4 Win By Default

• Giant Bomb: The Giant Bomb staff deciphers the digital-rights policies for Microsoft's new console through interpretive dance

• Kotaku: The Xbox One Just Had A Very Bad Day

• Kotaku (2): When Will Gamers Say Enough Is Enough?

• LazyGamer: Microsoft confirms insane Xbox One DRM

• MCV UK: Indie retailers desperate for Xbox One pre-owned answers

• MCV UK (2): Publishers quiet over Xbox One pre-owned intentions

• Metro UK: Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers

• NowGamer: Xbox One: It's For Publishers, Not For You

• PC Magazine: Microsoft Xbox One: No Internet? Big Problem

• Polygon: Xbox One policy is a lovely marriage proposal to big corporations

• TechnoBuffalo: Xbox One and Used, Borrowed and Sold Games - The Official Word

• TechnoBuffalo (2): Xbox One: Unless Microsoft Changes Their Policies, I'm Out

• TechRadar: Xbox One 'always online': What does it mean for gamers?

• TechSpot: Xbox One will force gamers to stay online after all

• The Diplomat: Has Microsoft Already Ruined the Xbox One?

• The Guardian: Xbox One requires daily net connection

• The Wall Street Journal: Microsoft's Xbox One: Owning Your Video Games Is So 1994

• Time: Microsoft's Xbox One Used Games Policies Are Clear as Mud

• VG247: Xbox One: the record is broken, long live the record

• WhatCulture!: Xbox One: 10 Shocking Things You Won't Believe

Wow, the Xbox One actually got something INTERESTING? Color me suprised!

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/10/killer-instinct-announced-for-xbox-one/

After a long hiatus, Killer Instinct FINALLY makes a return. Wow, and to think MS would be kind enough to let Rare out of the dungeon making Kinect games.

EDIT: Uh oh.
UH OH.
MICROSOFT FUCKED UP.
THEY FUCKED UP BAD.
Xbox One price revealed:
500 US DOLLARS AND €499.
THAT'S NOT GOOD.
THAT'S NOT GOOD AT ALL.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/10/xbox-one-to-launch-this-november-at-499-499/

( Edited 10.06.2013 19:16 by CrystalMushroom )

Yeah the MS conference was actually really good, some nice exclusives they got. I still don't think I'll buy one because of all the consoles downfalls but I guess we'll see.