SEGA Big leak of TGS DC games on PSN and PS2 BC back

oh shit if DC game come to psn are real maybe they work on psp lol

SCEA Meeting Aug 5th Notes
Aug 6 2009 – DRAFT FOR COMMENTS

Objectives of Meeting
Dyer agreed to regular quarterly meetings with SOA

Sony PS3
SCEA reiterated plans to sell 13 million PS3s this year
Big announcement back half of year they can’t talk about (potentially price cut of PS3 to reach hardware goals)
SCEA commented on indexing between PS3 and 360 SKUs, should be around 2:1 to garner most favorable treatment.

Motion Controller
Spring 2010 launch (March in JP)
No bundle/pricing details yet, should come Sept 1
Plan on selling 4-5MM units WW
SCEA agreed to provide a list of Sega IP that would work well with the motion controller, Virtua Tennis was an example
Motion Controller support allows easy way to differentiate PS3 SKU
Other differentiation opportunities include PSP/PS3 interoperability – think of features that would make users want to buy both PS3 and PSP SKUs.

Alpha Protocol
Michael Foster, product evaluator, said AP felt barely RPG. Initial level too challenging for players. “Mass Effect felt more RPG.”
Review notes sent to John Merlino a few weeks prior. After meeting Gerald mentioned AP is a high priority for his team.

Planet 51
Sell in of PS3 SKU – SCEA noted that other movie titles on PS3 had underperformed as well (inc. Transformers) this cycle.
Dyer suggests contacting Susan at Walmart and asking what she wants in the pack to sell this SKU (movie tix etc)
Other possibilities are Hybrid movie disc (BD 25 or 50 with Game and Movie on same disc).

Bayonetta
Collectors edition with Bayonetta Action Figure
Novo recommended launching PSN demo around Xmas based off a Jan 5th Ship date with 2-3 week run out to launch.
3-4 weeks is usually ideal demo timing with fresh content every week leading up to launch (trailers, insider video about PG heritage, video blogs).

Vancouver 2010
HOME, Olympic destination would garner a lot of positive attention from SCEA
Should be doing same with Bayonetta, Marvel etc. Easy to launch in all territories.
HOME merchandizing opportunities (clothes etc).

Sonic Racing
Open to DLC to differentiate PS3 SKU – not ratchet and clank but other characters
maybe characters from Rare or Fable universes

Yakuza
Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game).
Might need to localize menus at least with subtitles.
SCEA interested in helping on MKTG side if they can have period of exclusivity.

AVP
Another great HOME candidate
AVP avatars
Hybrid BD disc with movie

Iron Man 2
Great candidate for HOME space – explore Tony Stark’s lab etc.
Should have one for Marvel in general.

PSU2
Could do bundle at GameStop with PSP 30-35K units on UMD, Go, or both.

Valkyria 1937
Could bundle with PSP as well.

Vanquish and Aliens: CM
Opportunity for PS3/PSP interoperability (see Eidos Batman, Army of Two, Assassin’s Creed for good examples).
If we offer that SCEA would be really interested in having us at their booth next E3.

Thor
SCEA would like a look at the code soon.

Sonic Anniversary
Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
“Best of Sonic” for around $99.
SCEA would love PSN exclusive power ups/different game modes (like Castlevania’s flip it over/backwards)

PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)
SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)
For co Marketing money show PS3 controller on TV ads – similar to EA Madden Spots, NCAA, etc…

London Olympics
Perfect opportunity for Motion Controller integration.

DC Digital Titles
If we provide a list of DC titles SCEA will let us know which ones they’re interested in having exclusively.
If we give them a long period of exclusivity they’ll give us more marketing support.

PSP Titles
For SKU differentiation it’s best to offer features that are slightly different from PS3 version.
Titles that are coming up on PSP are Assassin’s Creed II, GTA China Wars, Resident Evil, Little Big Planet – all massive franchises.
SCEA has a specific PSP deck which they can send up with their hardware director for a chat.

Looks like the PS3 has another reason to buy one now. Thank you SEGA.

I wonder if Sony will show any interest in the Shenmue games? if they sold well, it would probably be the only chance of seeing a Shenmue 3. The reasons to own a PS3 now have just sky rocketed up.

( Edited 22.09.2009 11:31 by Marzy )

Only thing I don\'t get is Fable or Rare characters in Sonic Racing, and not Ratchet and Clank. And Batman has no PSP compatibility

Just a shame that SCEA >>>>>>> SCEE

also:

The original document can be got from here

( Edited 22.09.2009 11:50 by Lrrr )

Jump_button said:

PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)

Sounds promising.

Motion Controller Spring 2010 launch (March in JP) will this get more dev thinking about show to use wii mote more as well? or will it take wii games away from wii?

keep in mind this may end up not beening all real but all of it to me look like it can easyly be real

( Edited 22.09.2009 13:39 by Jump_button )

The PS3 motion controller won't take anything away from Wii. Everyone with a Wii has a motion controller while the PS3's controller will be seen as an add-on like the rock band guitar or the eyetoy.

Yeah, someone posted this on Shenmue Dojo (anything related to Dreamcast in current news gets posted there). I am hating the sound of Yakuza 3 as a download. I want it in a proper box on a proper disc, thank you. I do not want my hard drive unnecessarily battered by enormous downloads. The Dreamcast thing is not a definite, but it\'s promising. As for whether they\'d work on PSP - I highly doubt it. The PSP is essentially a slightly cut-down version of the PS2, and the PS2 itself could not do some things the Dreamcast could. As far as DC emulation is concerned, I\'d say it\'s totally impossible on PSP.

The PS2 emulation thing really bothers me. I want to be able to play PS2 games on my PS3. It\'s the absolute worst thing about the PS3, probably. I also laugh at those who bang on about how powerful the PS3 is and \"un-tapped potential\" and all that nonsense. If it\'s so powerful, then why isn\'t there already a PS2 emulator for it? The 360 does an admiral job of emulating many Xbox games.

Answer me this - if the PS3 is so powerful, why are they finding it so difficult to emulate the PS2? Maybe I\'m going mad, but I\'m sure I can remember the original Xbox being significantly more powerful than the PS2? Yet the 360 emulates Xbox quite well, whereas they are struggling to emulate the lowly-PS2 on the PS3? Maybe there\'s some technical issue I don\'t understand, but it seems kind of weird.

The fanboy in me wants Shenmue I & II to get a release on PSN if the DC games thing goes ahead, but realistically the main candidates are probably the single-disc games, for storage concerns. I\'m not interested in downloading games that take 4GB+ of my HDD. This concern becomes far greater with the \'full PS3 game downloads\' thing. Microsoft tried it, and it doesn\'t work. You get like four or five games on your HDD before it fills up (along with everything else you have on there).

That\'s just DVDs. Can you imagine downloading games that were originally meant to be stored on Blu-ray? I know most PS3 games fit just fine on a DVD, but there are some that take advantage of the medium, particularly exclusives. Yakuza 3 may well be one such game. To really take advantage of this, even people with the 120GB PS3 will need to upgrade the HDD to 500GB or something. Thankfully this is actually do-able on the PS3, whereas Microsoft went down some ridiculous proprietary route with the 360 HDD. Still, it\'s not ideal even for PS3. Maybe for some really obscure little Japanese gems, but big games like Yakuza 3? Nigga, please.

More SEGA is a great thing. I want PS3 games on Blu-ray discs, though.

( Edited 24.09.2009 12:08 by Martin_ )

Yazuka 3 being made for download is if anything just a way of getting the game to people who really want it without risking low sales of a full localization.

If the series proves popular then they might bring Yakuza 3 and 4 to the west as a retail game, but until this point SEGA have shown no desire whatsoever to bring them over here.

As for emulation, that's a good point, especially since a few (albeit not many) XBOX Classics are available for download on the Thrixbawks. Unless there's something inside the PS3 taking up loads of space that the 360 doesn't have (bluray crap maybe?) I don't see why PS2 BC is such a problem.

They released Yakuza and Yakuza 2 in the West, didn't they? These games sold about 40,000 units each. This is a small number, but why not just only print 40,000 copies of Yakuza 3 for US and PAL territories? How expansive can doing subtitles be? I always massively prefer the original Japanese voice acting in these games with English subtitles. It's never about dubs. Never. So print 40,000 copies, it'll still get to all the people who want it, and you won't have millions of spare copies lying around in warehouses. Surely this approach would result in some sort of profit? Subtitles, only print the amount that is likely to be sold - voila. Everyone's happy.

Digital distribution is far cheaper than creating physical copies, and can also mean that if there's a sudden spike of popularity it can keep selling.

SEGA could order shelf space and make thousands of bluray discs with boxes and send them across all the western regions, or they could put them up over PSN for a tiny fraction of that price without any complaints of shortage.

Don't get me wrong, I infinitely prefer to have a disc and a box too, but if I were you I'd be happy you're getting any form of official localisation at all.

Martin_ said:

Answer me this - if the PS3 is so powerful, why are they finding it so difficult to emulate the PS2?

I thought it was more because Sony are still selling PS2s and don't want to lose PS2 sales by incorporating backwards compatibility into the PS3? There can't be any technical reason for not doing it, because the 60GB model DOES do it, right? Sony are just being jerks methinks.

The 60GB model does play them, but it has half of the chipset from a PS2 in it as well. They took it out, and they apparently had troubles emulating that. Probably more likely that since the PS2 is still selling is why they haven't released it though

SuperLink said:
Digital distribution is far cheaper than creating physical copies, and can also mean that if there's a sudden spike of popularity it can keep selling.

SEGA could order shelf space and make thousands of bluray discs with boxes and send them across all the western regions, or they could put them up over PSN for a tiny fraction of that price without any complaints of shortage.

Don't get me wrong, I infinitely prefer to have a disc and a box too, but if I were you I'd be happy you're getting any form of official localisation at all.

You can sell physical product quite easily without worrying about shelf space. Play.com?

Martin_ said:
You can sell physical product quite easily without worrying about shelf space. Play.com?

I think that if Sega are going to do this for PSN then why the hell can't they do it for XBLA?

SuperLink said:

Martin_ said:
You can sell physical product quite easily without worrying about shelf space. Play.com?

That way SEGA avoid the mainstream retail buyers too, giving them even less sales.

The point is that everyone who's going to buy Yakuza 3 already knows about it. Even if it was a Play.com exclusive, everyone who wants it would get it. As for 'cost', discs cost pittance. I have the proper boxes of the first two games. Having Yakuza 3 as a download would make it seem like the 'black sheep'. Disc please, SEGA.

I think it'll get a disc if it's popular enough, but you have to remember that lack of popularity is the reason it's localised through downloads, if at all. Yakuza 4 will probably be download aswell.

And don't BluRay discs cost quite a lot to manufacture?

Not any more. Blu-ray manufacture is common place, and the diodes have become cheap like regular DVD ones. I've worked in factories, and trust me, the whole thing (the box, cover insert, booklet, and disc) will come in at well under 5p. I won't get the download. Maybe I'll import it.

Super Sonic said:
I think that if Sega are going to do this for PSN then why the hell can't they do it for XBLA?

DC big in japan and 360 not it

Super Sonic said:
I think that if Sega are going to do this for PSN then why the hell can\'t they do it for XBLA?

It all depends on how much Sony pays them. IMO, any exclusivity would be for Japan only. That or just a timed-exclusive.

( Edited 24.09.2009 18:51 by wAyNe - sTaRT )

If you ask me they'd have to be nuts to not release JSR on XBLAH when the sequel is on Ecksbawks anyway.

Martin_ said:
Not any more. Blu-ray manufacture is common place, and the diodes have become cheap like regular DVD ones. I've worked in factories, and trust me, the whole thing (the box, cover insert, booklet, and disc) will come in at well under 5p. I won't get the download. Maybe I'll import it.

SuperLink said:
If you download it atleast you\'ll be supporting their localisation efforts. They\'re not going to bother localising them at all if everyone just imported them. The more popular the download is, the more likely a retail release is, if you ask me.

But if their localisation efforts aren\'t to my liking, then why should I support it? Furthermore, I\'m not a stickler for \'support your region\' as nin10do used to bang on about. PS3 games are region-free, so I see nothing wrong in taking advantage of that. It\'s as if Sony want you to import stuff.

A PSN-only release is not good enough for something like Yakuza 3. I don\'t particularly want it eating up all my hard drive, and I\'d just want a game like that with a proper booklet that I can flick through and so forth. Only produce the amount of copies that will sell, only do the most basic localisation (just subs, that\'s all Yakuza fans want, SEGA), and there you have it - Bob\'s your gay uncle.

Maybe even release only 20,000 physical copies in both Western regions, and also make it available on PSN? That will appease the hardcore, and the game can also sit gathering dust on PSN with no-one buying it because all the people who wanted it bought the physical copy.

SuperLink said:

That way SEGA avoid the mainstream retail buyers too, giving them even less sales.

I missed this. Why do you care about SEGA giving mainstream retailers less sales?

( Edited 25.09.2009 00:18 by Martin_ )