Epic debate: The last boss of Metroid Prime 3 (spoilers)

Reading this will reveal Metroid Prime Corruption's last boss. That's pretty much it.

Epic debate: Is Aurora Unit 313 actually Mother Brain / Is Mother Brain an Aurora Unit?

Supporting evidence:
- The Brain and the Auroras both live in tanks
- They both look like brains
- It would explain how the Pirates got mother brain
- The 'Mother Brains' in Metroid and Super Metroid could've simply been different stolen Auroras
- The 'Aurora Unit' trailer in the MP3 Preview channel shows a schematic that looks exactly like Mother Brain's lair in Metroid or Zero Mission.
- In his MP3 review, Matt Casamashima wrote that the last boss was Mother Brain. This passage has since been removed. Was he guessing or did Retro tell him?

Confusing evidence:
- Why the hell would they put frickin' laser beams on a supercomputer?!
- Did the Pirates do that?
- Usually supercomputers sit in a climate controlled basement, and are not your last line of defense.
- If all 'Mother Brains' were actually stolen Auroras, then this leads to several more confusing questions.

etc.

Debate!
Now this is the kind of stuff that should be on a Nintendo forum!

( Edited on 27.01.2008 04:06 by MasterStyl )

I havn't finished Metroid Prime 3 (or 2) because I don't have the attention span to finish a game like that, but I have read about this last boss, and I'll admit it's possibly the most interesting thing about the MP series, mostly because of it's possibility as Mother Brain.

Keep in mind MP is set in between Metroid 1 and 2, so Mother Brain already existed before the start of Metroid Prime 1. I don't know the story behind Aurora Unit 313.

I think it would be better to argue:

is Mother Brain an Aurora Unit?

Which I think the answer is quite definitely yes, looking at all the evidence, and that video, either Retro thought they were being really funny with that video, or Mother Brain is an Aurora Unit. Supercomputer is hijacked by Space Pirates and voila! Mother Brain. It's safe to assume Aurora Units have been around from before Metroid Prime 3, and it's also possible the Space Pirates hijacked one when they were in early production, and could have modified it to be their Super computer and last defense on Zebes.

We also have to call into question how Ridley fits into this, and who is actually the leader of the Space Pirates. While Ridley seems quite incoherant in Metroid Prime, I'd like to believe otherwise, after all, he's seen as the boss of the Space Pirates, and Ridley is the last remaining Space Dragon from Zebes (though it's thought possible there are more, especially since the frozen "Ridley" (later to be known as Ridley X) was found on SR388, and not Zebes, which is where Space Dragons come from.

So was Mother Brain created to look over the opperations on Zebes only? Or is Ridley the boss of the space pirates? If Ridley is the boss of the space pirates, then this calls something else into question (from MP3) where one of the Space Pirate lores mentions "higher command" or something (so I've heard)

So it's possible there is an even greater force than Ridley or Mother Brain, who is the true boss of the Space Pirates, and that Metroid 5 should be 2D and come out DS

Yeah, I definately believe that Mother Brain was an Aurora Unit. Mostly for the reasons already mentioned.

As for who is the boss of the space pirates, I don't know. Used to think it was Mother Brain, until the AU's were revealed. I don't think it's Ridley, either, though Ridley is obviously pretty high up in Space Pirate Rankings.

What happened to Kraid, anyway?

( Edited on 26.01.2008 16:23 by Ikana )

I actually think that the aurora unit in MP3 was not a "mother brain" but maybe like the the first stage of a transformtion into a mother brain... The mother brain seemed far more advanced then the aurora unit. Or maybe the phazon had a different effect opun the unit.

I agree, the Mother Brains were Aurora units. I do not think they were the leader's, as they were stolen technology (who makes stolen computers leaders?).

I believe Ridley is/was a leader of the space pirates, but not the leader. As mentioned, space pirate lore from the Prime games speak of a Space Pirate Command or whatever, which I believe Ridley was high ranking member of. I hope they go more into space pirate stuff in later games or in some form (like the Metroid web comic, which I can't remember if it is canonical or not).

Speaking of that, if it is canon, it shows the Mother Brain as Chozo technology, and if that's true, the Mother Brains were not Aurora Units.

If the pirates were smart enough to steal/create an Aurora Unit that could fly outside a liquid-filled glass tube, then, JUST MAYBE, you'd think that they MIGHT try to use it against their emenies?! THAT'S why 313 has laser beams.

They probably saw it as "If WE can't have it, then neither can you". This would lead to them forcing you to kill 313, in order to complete the game. hope that explains somewhat

I think it would be better to argue:

is Mother Brain an Aurora Unit?

Yes, that's probably a lot less ambiguous. I had it the other way because of Matt's quote (which I just added to the Evidence list).

I also came upon some interesting research from the Metroid Wiki. Unit 313 was stolen from the GFS Valhalla by Dark Samus. Since Dark Samus was created in MP1, after the events of the first Mother Brain from Metroid, it is impossible that 313 was also the first Mother Brain.

This would also solve other questions. Unlike Ridely, the original Metroid Mother Brain apparently did not survive, or logically, the Pirates would've just used that instead of stealing 313. The Wiki also reveals that Unit 313 becomes in charge of the Pirate's operations on Phaze, allowing them to control the planet. In this way, the aurora is essentially the 'Mother Brain' of Phaze, meaning that the term 'mother brain' isn't a specific thing but applied to any supercomputer in charge of a planet. That, however, would conflict with the webcomic.

I guess that makes sense.

Anyhow, by that logic we can reason that there have been three Mother Brains / Aurora units in the Metroid series used by the Pirates.

There still isn't any proof that the first mother brain is an aurora though.

Good debate going here, retro clearly created parallels between the aurora unit and mother brain, because of the promo video on the metroid prime preview, as well as other obvious common traits. However in my opinion most Nintendo games have very confusing storylines that fans try to decipher,like zelda (time line theories etc.) but really it was just retro adding some nostalgia for us metroid fans showing us something familiar that we enjoyed, im sure they would want to continue this story later perhaps if someone ever makes a Metroid 5, (hopefully that will happen soon)but right now i kinda just see that as a parallel for the sake of our entertainment.

Woah I never actually thought about that, if it is true, then its nice to see Retro show some continuity in the game's storyline.

yeh, just for nostalgia i think.
twas to easy a battle though.
completing it on hypermode for an epic battle hopefully.(done normal and veteran)

The very first time I seen an aurora unit in the Preview channel I though it would end up being mother brain.

Blade2t3 said:
The very first time I seen an aurora unit in the Preview channel I though it would end up being mother brain.

I would have also liked some continuity Metroid fan service in there, not just Ridley re-appearing for the bajillionth time, but the Metroid evolution life cycle, and possibly HOW THE FUCK the Metroid Prime even came into existance. If the Metroid Prime is from Phaaze... well that doesn't manke any sense whatsoever. It's alright to assume the Metroid Prime came from a possibly high level Metroid subject to high levels of Phazon, but how did a Metroid (or more than one Metroid) even get to Phaaze? Metroids were created exclusively by the Chozo living on SR388 as a counter to the X Parasites, and apparantly Phaaze was virtually "undiscovered" until MP3, meaning Space Pirates probably wouldn't have gone and randomly chucked a load of Metroids over there.

Also, I don't think you can argue that the Mother Brain from Metroid and Super Metroid are different Mother Brains. It's possible, but they both watch over Zebes, and are based in the center of Torian, if Space Pirates can rebuild a completely organic Space Dragon like Ridley, then I don't see why they cannot rebuild a Super computer. Although they sometimes don't seem like it, Space Pirates probably have incredible research resources and capabilities. The Metroid Prime series is proof I guess.

Also, I havn't finished MP3, but would it be safe to assume that a Space Pirate hijacking and using an Aurora unit would make it a bad idea to continue creating and using them? Not to mention they're unheard of even in Metroid Fusion, which is probably the game in which we hear most about the Galactic Federation.

Unless of course Nintendo or Retro wanted to take quite a satirical route and have the Galactic Federation continue using them anyway, despite the potential threat, after all, they did have intent on using the X Parasites in an unsafe way.

you think to much XD

I love thinking and continuity is definitely one of the best things about a series

It's like arguing who shot first out of Han Solo or Greedo, except not quite as epic.

Obviously greedo (I say that with absolutely no evidence to back it up).

hey SL, chicken or the egg?

Egg.

Chicken if you believe the creationist theory. Birds evolved mostly from reptiles anyway, so there's evidence against a chicken appearing out of nowhere.

Through natural selection and a whole lot of coincidences, a 99/100 part bird and 1/100 part reptile layed an egg in which the first Chick was born from.

Or something like that.

Hmmmmm, that's a very debatable topic, and i've never actually heard anyone back up their "chicken/egg" claim. Well done, Superlink.

But, i believe the creationist theory, so i say the chicken came 1st